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datafast69 
16/8/08 12:47:09 AM
Titan

The sound card, or DAC if you go that way, decode the source material be that a CD or a Wave file ect'

BTW the sound card has onboard DAC chips.

(DAC = Digital to Analogue Converter)

The quality of DAC chips and other components in sound cards,CD players, DVD players and DAC units come in all sorts of level of quality, as will the design. They also have there own inherent sound signature, as do all components.

The ultimate aim of many Audiophiles is the have a system that is neutral and adds no sound signature of It's own.

Anyway

So the initial decode sets the maximum level of what you can achieve at the end of the chain (speakers), if the source is shit it won't matter what level of quality components are in the chain following, it can only be reproduced to the quality of the decode at the beginning of the chain.

This is why guys like -80 and myself push for ripping in wave files instead of compressed formats.

So yeah, every part of the chain is important, it is a journey from start to end.

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-80 
16/8/08 11:24:07 AM
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Quote by datafast69
As -80 said It's a starting point.

You can improve the sound of your source by putting a DAC between the computer and the speakers/amp

This is by no means high end but is a cheap one that is said to be good value, uses a Burr Brown DAC I believe
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/USB-DAC-HIGH-PERFORMANCE-STEREO-PREAMPLIFIER-PREAMP_W0QQitemZ280255587243Q


Edited by datafast69: 15/8/2008 10:26:03 PM


That looks like good value to me.


Edited by -80: 16/8/2008 11:24:19 AM

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fr3nzystrikesback 
16/8/08 1:07:04 PM
Overlord
Quote by anaesthetics also won't fill the room with sound like your typical speakers will. Which isn't an issue if you use them exclusively while you are at your PC.


That really only applies to nearfield studio monitors. General Studio Monitors still fill a room pretty well, at 50% level on my interface, 50% level on the internal amps of the monitors, my Alesis shake my apartment - they are 100wrms biamped (25w tweeter, 75w woofer).

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anaesthetics 
16/8/08 3:27:15 PM
Overlord

Not sure what you mean, pretty much all Studio Monitors are nearfield but yes i imagine if i turned mine up a fair bit they would easily shake an apartment, the way they're designed though still reflects my original statement that they're not designed to fill a room like consumer speakers are. I also noticed mine do have an RCA connection after all.

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dBUG 
18/8/08 4:04:50 PM
Champion

Just went to Streetwise to test the Audioengine A5, but i couldn't find it. And when i asked the sales person, he said they will no longer stock the Audioengine speakers.. sigh.. :(




Edited by dBUG: 18/8/2008 4:06:14 PM


Edited by dBUG: 18/8/2008 4:06:37 PM

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datafast69 
18/8/08 5:47:27 PM
Titan

Bummer dude :(

Nowhere you can get to?

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dBUG 
18/8/08 6:08:08 PM
Champion

unfortunately, no.. and the other friend who sells speakers only do studio monitors and audio production stuff :(

reckon i should just gamble and buy it online?

or maybe you can recommend something else with budget less than $500? :P

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datafast69 
18/8/08 6:23:59 PM
Titan

If you like what is said about them in that Audioholics review and the rest of stuff on the net, well maybe worth grabbing without auditioning.

I can't think of anything that would do better for music listening unless you can stretch the budget further, then I would be looking at passive speakers combined with an amp, and then you would be looking at near twice the cost :(

I think Zebra was getting a pair, maybe PM him and see if he has them, and ask what he has to say about them.

What type of music is it again that you listen to?


Edited by datafast69: 18/8/2008 7:25:36 PM

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dBUG 
19/8/08 4:46:42 PM
Champion

Thanks datafast..

Yea, i couldn't afford anything over $500..well, it's more like my gf won't let me buy anything over $500 :P

i listen pretty much everything except hip-hop / RnB and pop.
i'm more to rock; classic, hard or slow..occasionally, blues or jazz. very rarely, trance / electronic. :P

anyway, i've decided to order these speakers in the next couple of days, i think it's a good start (for me, at least). They're not very expensive and every review i read about it, has been very positive..

when i receive it, maybe i can start my own "showing off my speakers" thread :P

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datafast69 
19/8/08 6:09:01 PM
Titan

Look forward to the thread dBUG, needed :)

They also make a matching sub that I would imagine intergrates well with the A5's, maybe something for down the track, would fill it out the bottom for the Death Metal playback :D

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komuso 
20/8/08 10:12:58 AM
Overlord

http://tinyurl.com/5lsuld

Anything less than an 8" cone doesnt go down low enough for me. Good value for money, $420. Add $60 for a passive volume controller.


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datafast69 
20/8/08 4:36:05 PM
Titan

Not too bad komuso, but there are a number of things in this following review that concerns me, I'm not saying they are crappy, just that they don't seem as suitable as the A5's do.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep04/articles/behringerb2030a.htm

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komuso 
20/8/08 4:55:52 PM
Overlord

If you look on the net its not hard to find articles that are much more scathing than that one, which is really quite favourable in comparison. Most people who deride them are probably more accustomed to a better level of quality, and sure, these monitors wont stand up to good quality gear, but at this price range, no speakers are special. I think these are the best value for money. Blue Sky Exo speakers would be the only other cheap speakers I would consider, and they are pretty good, but I dont like mixing on 2.1.

I have never heard A5's myself. They could be great, but I've never heard any mention of them beyond the consumer market.



Edited by komuso: 20/8/2008 05:02:05 PM

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datafast69 
20/8/08 6:15:37 PM
Titan

No worries, like I said, I'm not saying they are bad :)

We are looking at someone that is purchasing for listening and not studio work, are we not?

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-80 
20/8/08 7:07:04 PM
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Quote by komuso
If you look on the net its not hard to find articles that are much more scathing than that one, which is really quite favourable in comparison. Most people who deride them are probably more accustomed to a better level of quality, and sure, these monitors wont stand up to good quality gear, but at this price range, no speakers are special. I think these are the best value for money. Blue Sky Exo speakers would be the only other cheap speakers I would consider, and they are pretty good, but I dont like mixing on 2.1.

I have never heard A5's myself. They could be great, but I've never heard any mention of them beyond the consumer market.



Edited by komuso: 20/8/2008 05:02:05 PM



Yes. I prefer 2 or 3 way speakers to mix on too.
Subwoofers give an unrealistic sound, especially when so many people use headphones, boomboxes and car stereos.

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komuso 
20/8/08 10:34:51 PM
Overlord

Quote by datafast69
No worries, like I said, I'm not saying they are bad :)

We are looking at someone that is purchasing for listening and not studio work, are we not?


Yeah likewise, Im not taking the defensive position, and hopefully not the offensive either (: A speaker with a bigger cone is going to move more air, and the woofer of the Behringers gives you some boof. For any listening, whether its critical mixing or not, I think size is really important.

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-80 
20/8/08 10:56:46 PM
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Quote by komuso
Quote by datafast69
No worries, like I said, I'm not saying they are bad :)

We are looking at someone that is purchasing for listening and not studio work, are we not?


Yeah likewise, Im not taking the defensive position, and hopefully not the offensive either (: A speaker with a bigger cone is going to move more air, and the woofer of the Behringers gives you some boof. For any listening, whether its critical mixing or not, I think size is really important.



Hey!
That's not what they say in all those womens' magazines!

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komuso 
20/8/08 11:30:33 PM
Overlord

Whether they say it or not, at least 8" of cheap pumping piston that shakes the room is exactly what they want filling their holes (their ears that is)

(:

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datafast69 
20/8/08 11:36:30 PM
Titan

Quote by komuso
Quote by datafast69
No worries, like I said, I'm not saying they are bad :)

We are looking at someone that is purchasing for listening and not studio work, are we not?


Yeah likewise, Im not taking the defensive position, and hopefully not the offensive either (: A speaker with a bigger cone is going to move more air, and the woofer of the Behringers gives you some boof. For any listening, whether its critical mixing or not, I think size is really important.




Yeah I hear what you are saying, but I think it goes way beyond that, materials used and design of the driver, and ultimately that of the speaker itself can count for much of the end result.

A poorly made and designed speaker with a 10" woofer can be slaughtered by one that is well designed and built with the right materials but using a 5" driver.

Good discussion this :)

Also, Speaker maker A may state a frequency response for there product as being 50hz to 20Khz, but that may not be indicating a flat response down to 50hz and it may start to roll off at say 60hz.

Speaker maker B may state the same frequency response but are giving a more honest rating in that the response is flat or at least useful to 50hz and then proceeds to roll off.

Speaker makers are known for fudging the figures to sell more of there product.

Edit:removed pun as I was too slow :(


Edited by datafast69: 21/8/2008 12:10:13 AM

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gilamesh 
20/8/08 11:58:25 PM
Serf
Hi there,

Yes, the AudioEngine are hard to find, mainly because the new stocks have not arrived yet. I spoke to a couple of the sellers and it seems they would be in by the end of August.

Which part of Australia do you live in? In Sydney, you can find an AudioEngine 5 (display model only) in the "next byte" shop in Bondi Junction. Hopes this helps.

I am in the same boat as you, having been looking at studio monitors to replace my speakers. If you have not heard monitors before you might be surprised at how different the sound produced as compared to your PC speakers.

I think it is important to also take into account that everyone has different expectation of the sound reproduction depending on what they are used to. The AudioEngine sounded very different to me who is used to PC speakers (Altecs) and again it would sound different to someone who is used to monitors.

Long story cut short, I say it is best to trust your own ears. :-)

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