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Discuss: ASUS Xonar DX PCI-E
noobmelater 
14/7/08 11:43:39 AM
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noobmelater thinks:

Nice, anything to get away from Creative is a bonus good going ASUS

About the Atomic article ASUS Xonar DX PCI-E

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?CIID=116715

There’s nothing Creative about this new card from Asus, and Jake Carrol likes it that way.

What do you think?

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bnew 
14/7/08 11:49:14 AM
Guru

Nice card, shame about the lack of DTS. I would still get one over an X-fi though.

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Shikimaru 
14/7/08 1:06:16 PM
Titan

This nicely fills the gap between on-board and an Auzentech X-fi Prelude.

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Athiril 
14/7/08 1:53:39 PM
Titan

3m x 3m room? square rooms have horrible acoustics... why?

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Lazzarus2nd 
15/7/08 1:19:52 AM
Champion

Having had an X-fi Extrememusic for about a year now, and having little or no problems, (it makes sounds and sounds good - what more do you want) I couldnt justify replacing my card with this, but if I were to build another computer I would give it a go, just for the hell of it.

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Outcast_Aussie 
15/7/08 2:51:42 AM
Champion

Some serious info is missing.

Like... Which Os's does it run on.

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bluedude 
15/7/08 3:23:19 AM
Guru

Quote by noobmelater

Nice, anything to get away from Creative is a bonus good going ASUS



+1, two thumbs up from me.

Thinking of Creative is like thinking of that one really, really, really bad ex-girlfriend you once had. Which reminds me, I gotta dump this bitch (referring to my current X-Fi Gamer of course).

Depending on the price I may consider getting one in the future. It would have to be cheaper than an Auzentech Prelude and noticeably better than on-board sound, though.
Hopefully a future version of this card will support DTS, then it'd be a winner.


Edited by bluedude: 15/7/2008 03:23:50 AM

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This was a good idea.

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Nich... 
15/7/08 3:36:39 AM
Hero
Immortal


Creative’s using some sweet driver trickery in the form of DS3D GX2
Creative, or ASUS?

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wheelz 
15/7/08 12:39:57 PM
Overlord

As long as it's 24 bit and has all the required frills, the card itself will have a very minor impact on the actual sound reproduced. I am willing to bet that in a double blind test scenario, I could swap out sound cards, do some EQ'ing and not a single person could actually hear the difference.

It will be mostly speaker and enclosure choice, with room acoustics playing the next major role, the amplifier used comes in third, with the source drive (DVD or CD) following up from there.

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THE DEVASTATOR 
15/7/08 1:02:02 PM
Overlord

Quote by wheelz
As long as it's 24 bit and has all the required frills, the card itself will have a very minor impact on the actual sound reproduced. I am willing to bet that in a double blind test scenario, I could swap out sound cards, do some EQ'ing and not a single person could actually hear the difference.


You could not be more wrong.
What DACs are in a sound card are very important, how flat the FeQ Response is, how much THD, what the noise floor is and how much stereo crosstalk all depends on what DAC the sound card has.

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wheelz 
15/7/08 4:05:42 PM
Overlord

well I was taking for granted the fact that anyone worth their salt would use decent 24 bit Burr Brown DAC's.

THD? C'mon... A speaker wipes the floor with any other component in the system. speakers have distortion rates as high as 10%. A card with 1% THD, most are touted as lower, has no audible distortion. You just can't hear it. Your speakers are the number one influence on sound.

The computer speakers people mainly use are an absolute joke when it comes to decent audio.
I've been involved in many back to backs in the Home audio and car audio industry over the last few years, and we have argued these points a million times.

Speakers
Speakers
Speakers.

All else (given that you buy decent midrange quality gear) has only a small part to play.

Sure if your card is absolutely crap, theres nothing that can be done.

I guarantee I could get an old Soundblaster absolutely murdering anything high end sold today for PC's (excepting pro gear) just by using decent drivers in good enclosures.

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xguntherc 
15/7/08 4:28:52 PM
Overlord

well not to be a dick.. but we aren't testing who can get the best sound with old soundblaster LIVE! it was talking about how good, or bad the new ASUS Xonar DX is.. I'm currently in the boat where I'm not sure if I should just be happy with my onboard on my 750i, or if I should get something to help out my Bose Speakers. and this looks good. Thats why I want to see what people say, not hear about makin old Sound blasters good.. so I wasn't tryin to be a dick, but thats not helpin anyone tryin to decide.. like I am.

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wheelz 
15/7/08 4:50:38 PM
Overlord

Sorry mate, I rant when it comes to audio.

I've been dissappointed with the quality of what is available for PC's and I suppose my point is that great audio can be achieved using good speakers, not just a great card.

Bose make nice speakers, and I'd say that this card would get the best out of them if they are of decent quality.

My opinion is that 2 channel sound done well can most definately give a great experience is represents better value for money than 5.1 (more bang for your buck)

This card would be perfect for 2 channel.

No DSP used and manually tuned via a decent Digital signal processsing software package and you will be blown away by the quality of your sound.

Sorry bout the rant before.. Im an audio geek.

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THE DEVASTATOR 
15/7/08 6:16:08 PM
Overlord

Quote by wheelz
well I was taking for granted the fact that anyone worth their salt would use decent 24 bit Burr Brown DAC's.

THD? C'mon... A speaker wipes the floor with any other component in the system. speakers have distortion rates as high as 10%. A card with 1% THD, most are touted as lower, has no audible distortion. You just can't hear it. Your speakers are the number one influence on sound.

The computer speakers people mainly use are an absolute joke when it comes to decent audio.
I've been involved in many back to backs in the Home audio and car audio industry over the last few years, and we have argued these points a million times.

Speakers
Speakers
Speakers.

All else (given that you buy decent midrange quality gear) has only a small part to play.

Sure if your card is absolutely crap, theres nothing that can be done.

I guarantee I could get an old Soundblaster absolutely murdering anything high end sold today for PC's (excepting pro gear) just by using decent drivers in good enclosures.



I know speakers make the biggist difference.
Not everyone uses highend Burr Brown DAC's (you just said any 24 bit DACs). Some sound cards
sound better than others, just look at good reviews with measurements.
1% THD is very high for a sound card or amp. Also speakers with 10% THD are subwoofers.

Also the fact that you say bose makes good speakers does not make me trust you one bit.

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wheelz 
16/7/08 12:03:51 PM
Overlord

I was just being nice.

Bose makes acceptable entry level gear for the pre-packaged home audio market.

Speaker manufacturers dont normally quote distortion figures (high end gear does), they need to be measured.
Distortion is controlled directly by adjusting crossover points, phase response and setting the slopes.
Most speakers come with a passive crossover, which will generally just be a few caps, resistors and/or coils.
Anyway since I can't be trusted this is all a moot point.

Bottom line is..

If you want a cheap alternative to onboard sound, buy this card. It's not creative, so thats good.
DTS can be lived without, Im sure..

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Sparky 
17/7/08 10:25:24 PM
Guru

This is the card I'm looking at mostly due to its low profile nature, for a project that involvs gutting a cd player and replacing it with a pc - but thats another story.

Is this going to give me great audio output over spdif to my onkyo 701 for playing FLAC CD quality audio (16bit 44.1khz uncompressed)?

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wheelz 
18/7/08 12:37:18 PM
Overlord

simple answer... Yep!

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THE DEVASTATOR 
19/7/08 11:00:29 AM
Overlord

Quote by wheelz
I was just being nice.

Bose makes acceptable entry level gear for the pre-packaged home audio market.

Speaker manufacturers dont normally quote distortion figures (high end gear does), they need to be measured.
Distortion is controlled directly by adjusting crossover points, phase response and setting the slopes.
Most speakers come with a passive crossover, which will generally just be a few caps, resistors and/or coils.
Anyway since I can't be trusted this is all a moot point.

Bottom line is..

If you want a cheap alternative to onboard sound, buy this card. It's not creative, so thats good.
DTS can be lived without, Im sure..



Bose make junk, they cost the price of much better speakers (price + performance = good or bad).

Distortion can be cut down in some points by crossing over a driver before it hits a Feq where it has the most distortion, but the fact remains that better drivers have much lower distortion than bad drivers.

Face the fact that all sound cards do not have the same SQ.

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Modulator 
23/7/08 5:14:22 AM
Initiate

Let's start with a lot telling typo:

"Creative’s using some sweet driver trickery in the form of DS3D GX2. Call it environmental modelling ‘cheating’ if you want."

Of course it should read:

"Asus is using some sweet driver trickery in the form of DS3D GX2. Call it environmental modelling ‘cheating’ if you want."

I mean Creative dont have to fake EAX, Asus does, lol.

This is a really funny "review" that does not tell you anything about the product only tries to trash its main competitor.

Why was the bridge design that fakes PCI Express not mentioned? Why no mention about that awkward requirement for a mini molex connector to feed power to the Xonar card - it does not draw power from the bus because it is not real PCI express only PCI bridge.. No mention about mic detection issues in many games and so on and so forth...

With the all due respect the dramatic finish of this review missed the point considering X-Fi Titanium card is the PCI Express, too. This is the real PCI Express card btw.

Unsurprisingly no-one had courage to publish this under their own name and it was backdated to June, too.

ROFLMAO!

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osama_bin_athlon 
22/8/08 8:20:52 AM
Hero
Immortal


agrees wholeheartedly with Modulator - what a load of shit - doesn't anyone edit these reviews?

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