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Official Windows Vista Thread
iamthemaxx 
31/1/07 4:00:10 PM
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Titan


I'm calling bullshit on everything.
You cannot go quoting facts around here without sources. You might as well just tell us to go read the Inquirer and believe it all.


You just 'pwned' yourself for being a n00b.

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Mr Spanky 
31/1/07 4:03:57 PM
Champion

Its a good start to see you so pissed off, dont worry im pissed off aswell.

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iamthemaxx 
31/1/07 5:19:25 PM
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Titan


LOL
It takes a mite more than that to piss me off mate. I'm just trying to point out the futility of your arguments, you cannot claim facts without backing them up.

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Hallowed 
31/1/07 6:02:00 PM
Banned

Creative is working on fixing Audio in Vista.

In Windows Vista, Microsoft has decided to remove the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) for DirectSound and DirectSound3D. The HAL is the software layer that on previous Windows Operating Systems enabled an audio accelerator such as the SB X-Fi, to provide DirectSound3D applications with hardware accelerated audio. This enabled soundcards to perform tasks such as sample-rate conversion, mixing, 3D spatialization using HRTFs, filtering, and effects processing. Without the HAL, DirectSound on Windows Vista will be rendered in software with no advanced functionality such as EAX.

The audio changes in Windows Vista do not affect OpenAL however. For audio cards that feature 'native' OpenAL support, such as the SB X-Fi series of cards, there is no need to worry! Games that enable support for OpenAL will continue to run just as they do on Windows XP - with hardware accelerated audio and effects.

Although OpenAL has arguably replaced DirectSound3D, particularly in many modern PC Games (e.g Battlefield 2142, Doom3, Quake 4, Prey, etc ...), there are hundreds of older PC games that support DirectSound3D and EAX technology --- all of these games will sound empty and lifeless on Vista. As most DS3D games only enable 3D Audio (and EAX) if a hardware accelerator is present, most of these games will be reduced to a stereo output.

The good news is that the Creative ALchemy Project allows you to run your favorite DirectSound3D games on Windows Vista as the developers intended - with full hardware accelerated 3D Audio and EAX support! This is done by translating DirectSound calls into OpenAL. In order for this to happen, a couple of files need to be installed into each game directory. This is handled automatically by the ALchemy installer - but can also be performed manually by advanced users.



http://preview.creativelabs.com/alchemy/default.aspx


Oh & whats the point in running 32bit apps on x64 Vista?

Cause i can lol.

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iamthemaxx 
31/1/07 6:04:18 PM
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Quote by Hallowed


Oh & whats the point in running 32bit apps on x64 Vista?

Cause i can lol.



And there is not that much out there that is full 64 bit. You are basically forced to run a lot in 32 bit.

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Hallowed 
31/1/07 6:33:51 PM
Banned

Quote by iamthemaxx
Quote by Hallowed


Oh & whats the point in running 32bit apps on x64 Vista?

Cause i can lol.



And there is not that much out there that is full 64 bit. You are basically forced to run a lot in 32 bit.




Thats true but games will start comming out with 64bit support like Crysis, UT3, Alanwake, supcom & others i cant think of right now

I bought the Retail version of Vista Ultimate so i could have installed the 32bit version but decided to check out how good the drivers were for 64bit version & no probs at all with any of my hardware or software so far.

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iamthemaxx 
31/1/07 6:36:14 PM
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FarCry had a 64 bit patch, as does HL2.

But I am still waiting on a 64 bit VPN client (fraking Cisco).


Edited by iamthemaxx: 31/1/2007 6:36:42 PM

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estate 
31/1/07 9:03:53 PM
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How does Vista handle upgraded PCs?

I'm buying Vista in a day or so, and plan to do a full system upgrade in a couple of months time. Does Vista notice hardware configuration changes the way Office 2003 does?

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DrDeath666 
31/1/07 10:31:21 PM
Overlord

I was just curious as to how Vista worked with Dual Screen or Tripple Screens for that matter.

Does the taskbar go across all screens?

When doing the "Show all Windows Thingy" do they all show on the main screen or on the screen they are on?

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Mudhoney 
1/2/07 9:31:25 AM
Apprentice
Quote by Hallowed
Windows Vista, Microsoft has decided to remove the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) for DirectSound and DirectSound3D. The HAL is the software layer that on previous Windows Operating Systems enabled an audio accelerator such as the SB X-Fi, to provide DirectSound3D applications with hardware accelerated audio. This enabled soundcards to perform tasks such as sample-rate conversion, mixing, 3D spatialization using HRTFs, filtering, and effects processing. Without the HAL, DirectSound on Windows Vista will be rendered in software with no advanced functionality such as EAX.

The audio changes in Windows Vista do not affect OpenAL however. For audio cards that feature 'native' OpenAL support, such as the SB X-Fi series of cards, there is no need to worry! Games that enable support for OpenAL will continue to run just as they do on Windows XP - with hardware accelerated audio and effects.

Although OpenAL has arguably replaced DirectSound3D, particularly in many modern PC Games (e.g Battlefield 2142, Doom3, Quake 4, Prey, etc ...), there are hundreds of older PC games that support DirectSound3D and EAX technology --- all of these games will sound empty and lifeless on Vista. As most DS3D games only enable 3D Audio (and EAX) if a hardware accelerator is present, most of these games will be reduced to a stereo output.

The good news is that the Creative ALchemy Project allows you to run your favorite DirectSound3D games on Windows Vista as the developers intended - with full hardware accelerated 3D Audio and EAX support! This is done by translating DirectSound calls into OpenAL. In order for this to happen, a couple of files need to be installed into each game directory. This is handled automatically by the ALchemy installer - but can also be performed manually by advanced users.



ugly hack ftl

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Mudhoney 
1/2/07 9:33:26 AM
Apprentice
Quote by estate
How does Vista handle upgraded PCs?

I'm buying Vista in a day or so, and plan to do a full system upgrade in a couple of months time. Does Vista notice hardware configuration changes the way Office 2003 does?



If you're using the OEM version, it appears you cannot substantially upgrade your PC on the same licence. I guess that means you either buy the boxed Retail version or buy another copy of the OEM version. Might be best to hang off until you upgrade.

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t0rna8o 
1/2/07 8:27:39 PM
Primarch

98 se was the bomb,
proof; you all used it and it worked didn't it. isn't it nice when things just work. :P

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Anti static strap? Wtf do i need one of those for?
My computer might be vista ready I'm sure as hell ain't

estate 
1/2/07 10:09:49 PM
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Quote by Mudhoney
Quote by estate
How does Vista handle upgraded PCs?

I'm buying Vista in a day or so, and plan to do a full system upgrade in a couple of months time. Does Vista notice hardware configuration changes the way Office 2003 does?



If you're using the OEM version, it appears you cannot substantially upgrade your PC on the same licence. I guess that means you either buy the boxed Retail version or buy another copy of the OEM version. Might be best to hang off until you upgrade.


http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061102-8140.html

You're right. What a draconian rule.

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Cummings 
2/2/07 12:21:57 AM
Guru

Quote by DrDeath666
I was just curious as to how Vista worked with Dual Screen or Tripple Screens for that matter.

Does the taskbar go across all screens?

When doing the "Show all Windows Thingy" do they all show on the main screen or on the screen they are on?



I can't recall if they claimed Vista was built from the ground up or not, but there is definately a whole heap of code ripped straight from XP.

The taskbar apart from the new design, is the same. Same clock, same active icons, same quick launch, same task buttons (but with nifty live previews when you hover over them) and same start menu. You can not make it appear accross both screens either as one continuos bar or two seperate bars.

The Flip3D function takes windows from both screens and displays them in the SHITTY 3D way on the primary screen. Now, I have to really stress the point that IT SUCKS BALLS. Half the windows can not be seen correctly due to bigger windows covering them. It is MUCH more convenient to use the improved Alt-Tab function that also showes live previews of windows. It would be better still if the Flip3D was reverted to a 2D state with the live previews. It would make it so much easier to deal with.

For the most part, it does look and feel better than XP and there is indeed some nifty new features such as User Account Control (for my parents) and speedboost. The desktop department was one place that they have just copied and pasted from XP when there was so much room for improvement.

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1n1n1is3 
6/2/07 1:51:23 PM
Journeyman

Very Interesting......

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

http://media.GRC.com/sn/SN-073.mp3

There are 4 podcasts, transcripts are available.

Sorry Maxx, but Spanky is on the money.


Edited by 1n1n1is3: 6/2/2007 3:24:36 PM

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iamthemaxx 
6/2/07 5:53:30 PM
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No he is not, he still hasn't quoted his sources so it's all hot air.

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