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Official Windows Vista Thread
Lazzarus2nd 
29/1/07 10:32:13 AM
Champion

$400 for an operating system??!?!?! (home premium version)

They must be kidding.

I balked at paying $250 for XP when i bought that. Surley they make enough money off this shizzle through sheer numbers, let alone the exorbitant price.

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Sir Mean Mr. Mustard 
29/1/07 12:00:18 PM
Master

Iv been looking through the jumble that is the Official Vista thread, but I could find no information about Dynamic Disk support in Vista… I was wondering does Home Premium support Dynamic Disks?

The moderators what this to be a huge mass of vista info in no apparent order Oo


Edited by Sir Mean Mr. Mustard: 29/1/2007 12:01:02 PM

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A witty saying proves nothing.

iamthemaxx 
29/1/07 12:16:56 PM
Mod
Hero

Titan


Yes we do, we like things unordered. Take a look at moz!

On this page:
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/4605a967-060a-490e-808b-f20438f621ce1033.mspx
It says:
"Applies to all editions of Windows Vista." So there is your answer.


Edited by iamthemaxx: 29/1/2007 12:17:05 PM

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Sir Mean Mr. Mustard 
29/1/07 2:04:38 PM
Master

ty, 1 more question... Can an version of XP Home OEM be upgraded to Vista Home Pro, or would I have to upgrade the OEM to a for Retail version. Can't seem to find it on the MS site

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?dg=microsoft.public.wi

Found it... I think

After reading some more stuff it seems the Retail may be better anyway..

Edited by Sir Mean Mr. Mustard: 29/1/2007 02:06:48 PM


Edited by Sir Mean Mr. Mustard: 29/1/2007 02:20:49 PM

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Mac Dude 
29/1/07 9:53:04 PM
Mod
SuperHero

Immortal


Well I'm not staying up until midnight for the official launch of Vista to onsticky this thread.

Lets just say I beat Bill to the punch :P

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Nullis in verba

mtan002 
30/1/07 1:21:45 PM
Serf
I was thinking of buying the OEM version. But I changed my mind after reading this thread.

http://discuss.pcmag.com/forums/1004364940/ShowPost.aspx

Essentially:

Q. My customer bought a new PC and wants to move their OEM software from the old PC to the new one. Can't they do whatever they want with the software?

A. The OEM software is licensed with the computer system on which it was originally installed and is tied to that original machine. OEM licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be installed on more than one computer system even if the original machine is no longer in use. The end user license agreement (EULA) accepted by the customer before they use the software, states that the license may not be shared, transferred to or used concurrently on different computers. The System Builder is required to provide end-user support for the Windows license. A System Builder can not support a license that has been moved from a PC they manufactured to one that they did not — this is a fundamental reason why OEM System Builder licenses can't be transferred.

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Mudhoney 
30/1/07 2:36:57 PM
Apprentice
So, hypothetically speaking, if I wanted to install the same OEM copy on two PCs, I'd be a naughty hypothetical person in terms of EULA, but it would technically let me? If I ran Windows Update (or whatever it's called in Vista) from both PCs, would the hypothetical feds kick my door down and smash my hypothetical face in?

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s7orm 2007 
30/1/07 8:11:46 PM
Journeyman

YAY VISTA

And for only $170! So dont go saying its expensive, well actually i guess it is if your not a student that works at a computer store. SUCKERS!

Photos:
http://s7orm.projectaus.com/vista/VistaA.jpg
http://s7orm.projectaus.com/vista/VistaB.jpg

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leftY7 
30/1/07 8:28:15 PM
Disciple

Nice little upgrade sticker ya got there!

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s7orm 2007 
30/1/07 8:34:03 PM
Journeyman

Academic version is Upgrade on Vista atm leftY7, have no choice, but i wanted a upgrade neway.

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S7ORM - Strong, Fast, and Noisy!
frontlinereview.com

Mr Spanky 
31/1/07 6:54:31 AM
Champion

Fact: Vista is 5-30% slower than XP Pro. (Depending on application)
Fact: Because of DRM built into Vista, You cant play HD-DVD/Blu-Ray unless u got a HDCP Licenced Graphics card and a HDCP Licenced Monitor. U got these? No, I dont think so.
Fact: Drivers now need to be licenced by Microsoft or Verisign. If these two dont licence it, it wont work on Vista.
Fact: Most, not some, drivers for 64bit edition Vista, dont even exist. Isnt the reason to change to Vista in the first place is to go 64bit?

Why SPEND $500+ for this? They should give US $500 for this crap OS. And all for a nicer interface, with Aero and DX10, which incedentaly looks like a minor improvement aka, DX9 2.0 to 3.0. So much for that scam after most game developers realized how lame it was to rewrite separate code that gave AT BEST minor eye candy.

Now, who wants to tell me why Vista is worth $500 retail, Over my XP Pro?



Edited by Mr Spanky: 31/1/2007 7:07:52 AM

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Hallowed 
31/1/07 8:03:59 AM
Banned

I got Vista Ultamate yesterday & am running the 64bit version.
No probs with any of my apps or games & drivers working for everything in my system.
well except for SLI. nvidia still havnt released an SLI driver for Vista.

Oh & as for game performance being slower on Vista thats crap im getting same FPS in all games in vista as i was in XP & thats with shit beta drivers.
Id post some screenshots of game fps but im at work so i cant.
So far im very happy with Vista.

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iamthemaxx 
31/1/07 8:38:27 AM
Mod
Hero

Titan


Mr Spanky - what are your sources? You better supply them or someone here is going to feel the need to slap you down.

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makaveli 
31/1/07 11:18:20 AM
Overlord
i'm running vista and i rad on a few posts i think one is over at gizmodo.com that vista isnt slower than xp.
can you please show your source for your "facts"

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Lambo 
31/1/07 12:53:22 PM
Mod
SuperHero

Immortal


Quote by Mr Spanky
Fact: Vista is 5-30% slower than XP Pro. (Depending on application)
Fact: Because of DRM built into Vista, You cant play HD-DVD/Blu-Ray unless u got a HDCP Licenced Graphics card and a HDCP Licenced Monitor. U got these? No, I dont think so.
Fact: Drivers now need to be licenced by Microsoft or Verisign. If these two dont licence it, it wont work on Vista.
Fact: Most, not some, drivers for 64bit edition Vista, dont even exist. Isnt the reason to change to Vista in the first place is to go 64bit?

Why SPEND $500+ for this? They should give US $500 for this crap OS. And all for a nicer interface, with Aero and DX10, which incedentaly looks like a minor improvement aka, DX9 2.0 to 3.0. So much for that scam after most game developers realized how lame it was to rewrite separate code that gave AT BEST minor eye candy.

Now, who wants to tell me why Vista is worth $500 retail, Over my XP Pro?



Edited by Mr Spanky: 31/1/2007 7:07:52 AM



PFFT at your XP pro.

FACT: Windows 98 is where it's at. It's 8000% faster then Xp and Vista. COMBINED!

Source: Cause I said so, I don't need documented evidence that I'm right!

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Mudhoney 
31/1/07 1:37:34 PM
Apprentice
Vista slower than XP:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/index.html

not by much though, unless you count OpenGL.

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Hallowed 
31/1/07 1:55:32 PM
Banned

This shows Vista outperforming XP in some games.
Give it 2-3 months for drivers to mature & Vista's performance in games will surpass XP in every way.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista_performance_amd_catalyst_7.1/default.asp

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Mudhoney 
31/1/07 2:05:14 PM
Apprentice
Quote by Hallowed
Give it 2-3 months for drivers to mature & Vista's performance in games will surpass XP in every way.



Sounds good. I'll stick with XP until then. I'll also wait for reports regarding sucky DRM. I have only two reasons for wanting to upgrade:

1. want to be able to use DX10 features when I upgrade PC mid this year
2. new toy factor



Edited by Mudhoney: 31/1/2007 2:08:44 PM

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Mudhoney 
31/1/07 2:33:14 PM
Apprentice
more reading:

http://apcmag.com/5049/10_reasons_not_to_get_vista
http://apcmag.com/5082/10_reasons_you_should_get_vista


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Mr Spanky 
31/1/07 3:43:20 PM
Champion

hallowed: Yr os is 64bit running those programs at 32bit. Whats the point?
iamthemaxx: omfg its all over the net. Get proof? lololol pwnd

Say you write your own program for anything with an .exe, you will now need to get a licence from M$ or Verisign.

Creative (soundblaster) is now stuffed with their spdif connection, in that it will either convert your digital file to a lower quality analogue file, or not play at all.


Oh yeah, i forgot. Directsound hardware acceleration is Gone! Bye Bye! Vaporised! Ceases to exist! Totally nulified by Vista.
No more EAX v2 3 4 5. On Xp Pro? No problems.
Microsoft says it was a security risk. (aka potential to circumnavigate the DRM on Dolbys and DTS forthcoming TrueHD and HDMaster formats)


Edited by Mr Spanky: 31/1/2007 03:53:41 PM

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