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Does pirated version of windows run slower?
ouro 
29/10/07 11:54:19 AM
Serf
I got my local computer shop to do a fresh Windows XP instal for me for $60. I am almost 100% sure that they installed a pirated version(although i am able to get updates?) given the price they charged me and the fact that they never gave me a licence key.

Anyway, my question is, does a non real version of windows perform worse than the real version? I have never used real windows on my personal computers and have always had computer slowdowns, viruses etc and am wondering if fake windows is the problem.

Also, which version of windows vista would suit me more? I am contemplating between vista premium OEM vs academic upgrade edition. I understand that OEM is locked onto your motherboard which may be a problem for me since i am planning on an upgrade soon. I have also heard of a loophole you can do with the upgrade edition whereby you instal it twice and skip the "upgrading from real XP" part of the license. Does this still work?

Also am i able to continue using windows upgrade edition for as many computers i buy in the future?

Thanks for the responses.

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osama_bin_athlon 
29/10/07 12:01:32 PM
Hero
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I'd advise you to google the info on cracking windiz, as we aren't allowed to discuss that shit, but no, there's no difference in the speed of pirated copies.
;)

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
29/10/07 12:07:59 PM
Guru

I don't know why you coudn't do a fresh format yourself. No, there are no differences in the speeds etc. If they cracked it then there is no way to tell that it's pirated I think, not sure though.

I have no idea what you mean by "Locked onto the motherboard", OEM doen't do anything with your hardware, the only difference between OEM and retail is that you have to buy a piece of hardware in order to purchase and OEM copy, and you cannot resell it. It doesn't lock itself to the motherboard, it doesn't leave a trace of anything on your computer hardware at all. You can still install Vista without any problems etc, and upgrade from your current XP installation, so if you wanna buy the upgrade, do it. But note that your XP key becomes unusable if you buy the "upgrade".

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iamthemaxx 
29/10/07 12:23:43 PM
Mod
Hero

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If they installed it then they are required to provide you with a key as this would be an OEM install (you should have a CD as well).
But for $60 I'd say it is pirated.

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ouro 
29/10/07 12:32:04 PM
Serf
Thanks for the information. The reason why i bought this up is because my computer just seems laggy compared to my friends (ie windows takes a long time to load, apps take a long time to load, theres a few seconds gap when i alt tab between a full screen game etc) and i thought it might be because of windows.

As for the OEM, i read somewhere that the license is tied to the system, so if you change your system too drastically(ie change the motherboard) then the windows wont validate itself and you need to buy a new windows. Thats what i read anyway, and i don't know much about computers.


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Fat_Bodybuilder 
29/10/07 12:37:30 PM
Guru

That "may" just be your system, or they installed some shit that you don't know about =P

What are your system specs? And what Anti Virus are you running?

What are your friend's specs? What anti cirus is he running?


Edited by Fat_Bodybuilder: 29/10/2007 12:38:02 PM

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iamthemaxx 
29/10/07 12:58:18 PM
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ouro 
29/10/07 1:01:21 PM
Serf
my specs are

AMD 3500+ cpu
ASUS M2N4-SLI mobo
Leadtek 7950gt gpu
2 x 512mb 667 Geil ram
Norton 2007

It just seems like throughout my whole life my pc has just been more suceptible to slowdowns/viruses whereas my friends never have these problems and their systems run smooth as.

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
29/10/07 1:05:21 PM
Guru

Quote by ouro
my specs are

AMD 3500+ cpu
ASUS M2N4-SLI mobo
Leadtek 7950gt gpu
2 x 512mb 667 Geil ram
Norton 2007

It just seems like throughout my whole life my pc has just been more suceptible to slowdowns/viruses whereas my friends never have these problems and their systems run smooth as.



The problem has been found ;)

The solution?
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html

But seriously, nothing will slow your computer down more than Norton Antivirus, it is the WORST anti virus software in the world in my opinion, and severely slows down computers all round. I have used it and many other AVs, and trust me, it just sucks.

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smadge1 
29/10/07 1:08:38 PM
Immortal

Quote by ouro
my specs are

AMD 3500+ cpu
ASUS M2N4-SLI mobo
Leadtek 7950gt gpu
2 x 512mb 667 Geil ram
Norton 2007

It just seems like throughout my whole life my pc has just been more suceptible to slowdowns/viruses whereas my friends never have these problems and their systems run smooth as.



Well, that may be your issue.

Dump the Norton. Do some research and find something better. I use AVG antivirus. and there are some pretty good anti-spyware applications available if you need one.

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B82R3S 
29/10/07 1:57:10 PM
Titan

You can try www.microsoft.com , run a genuine verification application.

If it is not legitimate you may as well call the place up and say you will get medieval on their ass if they dont provide you with a legal key for whichever version of XP you had installed.

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
29/10/07 2:33:46 PM
Guru

Quote by B82R3S
You can try www.microsoft.com , run a genuine verification application.

If it is not legitimate you may as well call the place up and say you will get medieval on their ass if they dont provide you with a legal key for whichever version of XP you had installed.




That Microsoft thing doesn't always work...

Not that I would know...
>_>
<_<

But yeah give it a run and see what you get.

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aliali 
29/10/07 2:38:56 PM
SuperHero
Immortal


Hold up folks. Do you have a licence sticker on your case? If so then they would have used that key to install windows so it is legit, no matter what cd they used.
Also a lot of shops do not install the proper drivers when reinstalling especially the cheap installs. So first off install the latest mobo chipset, audio and video drivers for your system.

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PC FREAK 
30/10/07 1:37:24 PM
Guru

You being susceptable to viruses more so then others is just a PEBKAC. Get a new virus scanner, upgrade drivers. And i wouldnt bother about Vista on your comp :)

EDIT: Screwed up speeling


Edited by PC FREAK: 30/10/2007 1:38:14 PM

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4_Eyes 
30/10/07 11:37:17 PM
Journeyman

It's not Norton's problem! I had 2007 installed on my computer which is slower than Ouro's, and there was absolutely no difference in bootup/application loading times with or without Norton installed.

The more likely problem is an assortment of unnecessary apps being loaded whenever you bootup - "windows takes a long time to load, apps take a long time to load. "

"theres a few seconds gap when i alt tab between a full screen game" - You expect to be able to alt-tab from game to window instantly?

"my computer just seems laggy compared to my friends" - Heard of a placebo? Unless his computer's running next to yours, you're probably just thinking his boots up faster.


Edited by 4_Eyes: 30/10/2007 11:37:54 PM

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
31/10/07 6:38:45 AM
Guru

Quote by 4_Eyes
It's not Norton's problem! I had 2007 installed on my computer which is slower than Ouro's, and there was absolutely no difference in bootup/application loading times with or without Norton installed.

The more likely problem is an assortment of unnecessary apps being loaded whenever you bootup - "windows takes a long time to load, apps take a long time to load. "

"theres a few seconds gap when i alt tab between a full screen game" - You expect to be able to alt-tab from game to window instantly?

"my computer just seems laggy compared to my friends" - Heard of a placebo? Unless his computer's running next to yours, you're probably just thinking his boots up faster.


Edited by 4_Eyes: 30/10/2007 11:37:54 PM



Sorry, but I don't believe it, Norton slows down a system to the days. It is shit. And I don't get no gap between alt-tabbing xD

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ouro 
31/10/07 2:11:07 PM
Serf
Thank you for all the responses. I think the issue is that i have a lot of applications open which causes the slowdowns. I got told to close all the processes and run a game by itself, which i get much improved results.
I will be getting rid of norton soon as well, hopefully that will further improve my system performance.

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PC FREAK 
1/11/07 12:39:53 AM
Guru

Just run something simple mate AVG or Avast are great, free and better then Norton win win :D

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freakonaleash 
2/11/07 8:43:04 AM
Overlord

Norton is a decent AV system if your not gaming and have a decent pc to run it. It's simple to use and people like it cause its a "big name" they can "trust". I run avast/avg as they are both great.

F_B - you can alt-tab instantly in a game cause your running some decent HW

ouro - I would suggest doing some basic checking re your system. Check if you got the XP sticker and if not, might be worth to politely call them up and ask, cause it could be that they simply forgot to put it on, and if they did put a pirate copy on just push for that little sticker. Also check what is starting up cause a lot of applications are a bitch when they load. Check simple things like your "start up" folder or even in msconfig. As mentioned put on all the latest drivers you can find and see where that leaves you.

AFAIK - OEM is a licence that comes with your system. IF your system changes to much i think all windows versions need to be re-activated. and that is just a simple but painfull call to your lovely ms office.

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chrisbrownie 
2/11/07 9:16:24 PM
Guru

Quote by Fat_Bodybuilder
I have no idea what you mean by "Locked onto the motherboard", OEM doen't do anything with your hardware, the only difference between OEM and retail is that you have to buy a piece of hardware in order to purchase and OEM copy, and you cannot resell it. It doesn't lock itself to the motherboard, it doesn't leave a trace of anything on your computer hardware at all. You can still install Vista without any problems etc, and upgrade from your current XP installation, so if you wanna buy the upgrade, do it. But note that your XP key becomes unusable if you buy the "upgrade".

I challenge you to go buy an OEM copy of windows (and no, you don't need to buy hardware with it. It's for system builders, so if you built your PC, you're fully entitled to it) and then install it on one box. Then move to another one of different specs, and try reinstalling then activating. It will fail something chronic. OEM copies _do_ activate themselves against a hardware ID.

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