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Having given up on the 790i, where to next>?
m4rx>> 
29/7/08 12:32:25 PM
Champion

Having given up in my quest for the ultimate computer in an attempt to increase my uni marks, I have instead gone for the goal of having a quieter, powerful and reliable pc that is purely for the odd game here and there.

Unfortunately, after nearly 5 months of owning an evga 790i ultra (two, actually) and a few months of screaming rage at work trying to get another 5 of them to work, I have decided that despite my underlying and deep love for nvidia's black sexiness I am going to be forced to move to another motherboard. The 790i ultra is not a stable board. It makes the user feel like a beta tester who has just been proverbially raped up the ass with a giant $500 pointy stick.

And now, here I am, wondering - where do I go now?
I don't have a lot of money, and would be looking at selling my 9800gtxs and 790i ultra (but most likely keeping the ddr3).
My thoughts are:
Most likely an x48 board, I have been eyeing off the DFI lanparty x48 ddr3 but reviews are scant (I don't like gigabyte very much, the boards look like shit and I've had bad experience with them in the past). Alternatively I could always make the move back to ddr2 and get either the ddr2 dfi or asus x48 board.

Graphics card wise, I have been eyeing off the 4870s, though the red does not quite grab my fancy, but I am in no massive rush and will be closely watching the release of the 4870x2 with great interest, and will make more final decisions once I have tested single and dual 4870x2s at work.

So here is marx, asking for any ideas and help from the atomic crew. This is a bit of a brainstorm, and also represents the opportunity for anyone looking at getting a 790i ultra to ask me questions about my experience.

cheers guys

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Q6700@3.5GHz|Dtek Fuzion on 360Rad|eVGA 790i Ultra|Cellshock1800DDR3|Auzen X-Fi Prelude|2x9800GTX|Velociraptor|Silverstone TJ07|G9+G15|AD700|Z5500|Dell2407|Xbox 360 Elite
Currently thinking about: MARXology

superfireydave 
29/7/08 12:54:00 PM
Titan

"I don't like gigabyte very much, the boards look like shit and I've had bad experience with them in the past."
Yet, most of us recommend them for some reason (could it be they're actually pretty decent!?) and people experience FAR less issues with them than the 790i chipset.

You sound like you've already made most of your mind up.

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m4rx>> 
29/7/08 5:18:57 PM
Champion

you mistake my intentions, friend, I was merely after opinions on the 4870/4870 in crossfire, and if anyone has experience with x48 boards in particular the dfi lanparty and asus variants.

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Marxland, Brother Number One
Q6700@3.5GHz|Dtek Fuzion on 360Rad|eVGA 790i Ultra|Cellshock1800DDR3|Auzen X-Fi Prelude|2x9800GTX|Velociraptor|Silverstone TJ07|G9+G15|AD700|Z5500|Dell2407|Xbox 360 Elite
Currently thinking about: MARXology

TheFrunj 
29/7/08 5:35:10 PM
Titan

I've had a play around with the Gigabyte X48-DS5, and it's quite good.

I know you're not after Gigabyte per se, but the chipset itself is very stable, and great for overclocking. I scored over 20k with two 4870's and a 65nm quad at 4GHz :)

*edit*
Personally, I'd check out the DFI boards.


Edited by TheFrunj: 29/7/2008 5:35:35 PM

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superfireydave 
29/7/08 5:38:13 PM
Titan

Sorry, just sick of all the stupid threads, I realise yours isn't as stupid as most =P
Seriously though, gigabyte boards are (by and large) solid offerings. Much more stable than the nVidia chipsets and definitely good value for money.

DFI seem to be on the more expensive end. I'm sure they're good, but not sure if they're as value for money as some of the other offerings.

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Mreow?
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=9&t=17306

m4rx>> 
29/7/08 5:41:50 PM
Champion

no probs dave - we have had a few issues with them in the past at work and so we tend to prefer asus boards is all (have built a lot of pc's now lol).

Final alternative might be to try moving back to a 780i or 750i ftw.

anyone know anyone happy with the 750i ftw?

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Marxland, Brother Number One
Q6700@3.5GHz|Dtek Fuzion on 360Rad|eVGA 790i Ultra|Cellshock1800DDR3|Auzen X-Fi Prelude|2x9800GTX|Velociraptor|Silverstone TJ07|G9+G15|AD700|Z5500|Dell2407|Xbox 360 Elite
Currently thinking about: MARXology

superfireydave 
29/7/08 6:27:28 PM
Titan

Frunj has one IIRC, or someone else around here does =P

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Mreow?
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Fat_Bodybuilder 
29/7/08 7:39:39 PM
Titan

Tis the Frunj, his results are really good, and he loves it with his 8800GT SLi.

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c0nc0n 
29/7/08 8:40:40 PM
Champion

:O marxy has returned alive from NZ!

I just purchased a P45-DS3R myself to replace my Blitz because ASUS has stopped giving me BIOS updates thus leaving me in the beta :(

Now marx, are you doing a full upgrade? Ditching your graphics cards?

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Minister of Lost and Found of Marxland R.I.P

m4rx>> 
29/7/08 10:10:13 PM
Champion

c0nc0n my old friend - the point of this thread is to decide what to move to. I am not upgrading for (more) power necessarily so much as reliability. I want a pc that can play my games without crashing every 1-10mins and that can overclock without corrupting my hard drive.

If that means moving to the 4870 then so be it.

Currently looking at possible asus rampage formula or x48 ddr2 dfi lanparty board, possibly the 780i ftw if it comes out in Aust, or the 750i ftw (but I'm not sure if it has all the options I want) and I was interested in people's opinions.

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Marxland, Brother Number One
Q6700@3.5GHz|Dtek Fuzion on 360Rad|eVGA 790i Ultra|Cellshock1800DDR3|Auzen X-Fi Prelude|2x9800GTX|Velociraptor|Silverstone TJ07|G9+G15|AD700|Z5500|Dell2407|Xbox 360 Elite
Currently thinking about: MARXology

nesquick 
30/7/08 12:10:05 AM
Guru

Marx you said you were eyeballing the 4870x2, no doubt ek waterblocks will release a block suited to it which would go nicely in your setup also e8500's are only $210 now and can get up to 4.5ghzish if you pair them with a decent p45 board (p5q deluxe/premium i would imagine from what you said^). there is no reason you still can not have a fast system that is stable but is good to have a bit of an overclocking session on :)

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SceptreCore 
30/7/08 12:29:59 AM
Guru

M4rx>> ye old sea dog.

It be Sceptre. Long time mate welcome back to the forums. At last you are moving on, nVidia have not been kind to you hey!

If you are looking at an AMD solution, then that's cool, the 4870's are bringing some fierce competition to market, and they perform like nothing you have seen before.

So I would suggest a brand of motherboard which have always steered me right. And that is MSI... so this might be what you want here:

http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/27618

Specs
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=proddesc&prod_no=1393&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=17

Tad expensive, but fucken noice, plus it supports DDR3 and DDR2... so you can decide to go with whatever, and maybe sell that nice DDR3 kit you have, and get some later when the price comes down.

:)

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m4rx>> 
30/7/08 8:29:58 AM
Champion

Thanks guys for some great suggestions.
nesquick - are you happy with your x48 board and does it overclock nicely with your q6700? Just because I want a stable machine by no means should be interpreted as "I want to give up overclocking" (as you have basically said). This is marx, after all :P
I was admittedly eyeing off the E8600, with which people are hitting 4.8ghz on air, but am not sure which would ultimately be better - my Q6700 with a solid ~3.6-3.8ghz overclock or a 4.4ghz dual core. Games wise I play a bit of everything, though I tend to dwell in the land of the latest, so quad could perhaps prove a good choice. On the other hand, there is every chance that in 6 months I will make the move to nehalem and so it probably wouldn't matter if I went back to a dual till then.

sceptre - nice to see you again mate. Two weeks of skiing and I am fitter than I have been in a long time :). nVidia, as much of a (bit of a) fanboi as I am, have finally forced me from their motherboard camp, and pretty much as a result forced me from their graphics card front (hint hint to nvidia - I would be happy to return if you give me a good reason!). Options are (as I don't expect to get much for my gainward 9800gtxs, despite basically full warranty etc.) to either go to 2x 4870, 4870x2 and look at a second down the track, or even just a single GTX280 to try and have a very stable machine through a single card.
@the MSI board - thanks for the idea but we have tested the DDR2/3 hybrid boards before at work and weren't very impressed. I think I am most likely just going to make the move back to a really solid DDR2 kit, and 4gb of it at that, as ram-wise the only difference I have noticed in games has been the move from 2 to 4gb and back to 2gb of ram, but not the increase from 1000mhz to 2000mhz.
I also had a quick look at the foxconn blackops board, but I think this time around I'll get something from Australia (easier for warranty). As a side note - to a man that spent $500 on a broken board, $330-380 for a working board is no hesitation lol.

Currently I am leaning toward this
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7794

With either 2x4870 or a 4870x2 (I like it because it is black, how shallow is that :P)/

And possibly an E8600 or stay with the Q6700.

With this
http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/26778
or return to this kit (which I once had and was very happy with):
http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/25395
or this, which I haven't tried but have heard good things about:
http://www.scorptec.com.au/product/27390

thoughts?

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Q6700@3.5GHz|Dtek Fuzion on 360Rad|eVGA 790i Ultra|Cellshock1800DDR3|Auzen X-Fi Prelude|2x9800GTX|Velociraptor|Silverstone TJ07|G9+G15|AD700|Z5500|Dell2407|Xbox 360 Elite
Currently thinking about: MARXology

Fat_Bodybuilder 
30/7/08 10:54:02 AM
Titan

I think if you want reliability, the first thing you want is a single graphics card solution, none of this SLi and Crossfire business. Then you need a good motherboard, something that will work with modern hardware, is not gonna cost a testicle, and is reliable all-the-same. P45-DS3 or L or R would be the way to go IMO. A decent air cooler would suffice over all that H20 nonsense :P TRU120E

My 2c. :p

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illdrift 
30/7/08 11:31:07 AM
Overlord

lol, i seem to be the opposite. My msi x38 (ddr3) and a mates gigabyte x38 (ddr2) (and maybe his replacement x48?) have given us nightmares, yet my 790i and 780i have been fine (though i'm not running high fsb's yet on the 790i, need to update bios first).

Seems generally the more stuff you want to run on the motherboard, the more hassle you're going to have (whether it's incompatabilities, chipset can't handle everything at high clocks, etc).

So i'd suggest maybe a single card (4870x2 or 4870/gtx280) on a p45 to keep it simple


Edited by illdrift: 30/7/2008 11:35:43 AM

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espionage 
30/7/08 12:34:05 PM
Disciple
Quote by illdrift
lol, i seem to be the opposite. My msi x38 (ddr3) and a mates gigabyte x38 (ddr2) (and maybe his replacement x48?) have given us nightmares, yet my 790i and 780i have been fine (though i'm not running high fsb's yet on the 790i, need to update bios first).

Seems generally the more stuff you want to run on the motherboard, the more hassle you're going to have (whether it's incompatabilities, chipset can't handle everything at high clocks, etc).

So i'd suggest maybe a single card (4870x2 or 4870/gtx280) on a p45 to keep it simple


Edited by illdrift: 30/7/2008 11:35:43 AM



what bios version are you running?

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illdrift 
30/7/08 12:39:01 PM
Overlord

P03 i think. Last time i tried updating the bios it didn't complete, so was stuffed when i tried to reboot. I know i should flash from a bootbale cd but oh well. I'll order a second bios chip already flashed from the US, save me the potential hasstle of having to rma again.

I think i read that later bioses (P06 being the most recent?) have fixed the hdd corruption problem for quite a few people.

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My main point is. Nvidia has run out of technology.

m4rx>> 
30/7/08 6:04:46 PM
Champion

yeah the 790i ultra has been my bane of late. This is my second board, and at work I have to spend hours and days sometimes to get a system stable.

On another note -
I might take (part of) FBs advice and look at getting a GTX280 with Dtek waterblock (I've given up on dedicated waterblocks as they lose value too quickly - I'd prefer something transferrable), combine it with the DFI lanparty board (I don't think the p45 has enough options for me) and a set of either the reaperX or (if I'm feeling the old need for water) the Flex II and watercool it.
In terms of CPU I am still undecided as to stay with the Q6700 or move to E8600. Still not sure if a 3.6ghz quad would be better than a 4.5ghz dual (probably would be).

Thoughts?

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Marxland, Brother Number One
Q6700@3.5GHz|Dtek Fuzion on 360Rad|eVGA 790i Ultra|Cellshock1800DDR3|Auzen X-Fi Prelude|2x9800GTX|Velociraptor|Silverstone TJ07|G9+G15|AD700|Z5500|Dell2407|Xbox 360 Elite
Currently thinking about: MARXology

SceptreCore 
30/7/08 6:44:20 PM
Guru

Here we have an Intel Workstation board, yeah I know, what am I thinking?

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/82362/MOTHERBOARD_INTEL_SOCKET_775_CORE_2/Intel/BOXDX48BT2.asp

Problem is it might not support an Intel chip!

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
30/7/08 7:15:59 PM
Titan

Quote by m4rx>>
yeah the 790i ultra has been my bane of late. This is my second board, and at work I have to spend hours and days sometimes to get a system stable.

On another note -
I might take (part of) FBs advice and look at getting a GTX280 with Dtek waterblock (I've given up on dedicated waterblocks as they lose value too quickly - I'd prefer something transferrable), combine it with the DFI lanparty board (I don't think the p45 has enough options for me) and a set of either the reaperX or (if I'm feeling the old need for water) the Flex II and watercool it.
In terms of CPU I am still undecided as to stay with the Q6700 or move to E8600. Still not sure if a 3.6ghz quad would be better than a 4.5ghz dual (probably would be).

Thoughts?



Well, in all honesty, new games are coming out to be quad core reliant, however 99% of games and apps are still dual core optimised, and as such, a dual core 4.5GHz would be a much better option than a quad core at 3.6GHz. Unless you're doing something like encoding, rendering or benching, then a faster dual core CPU is still the way to go.

Quote by SceptreCore
Here we have an Intel Workstation board, yeah I know, what am I thinking?

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/82362/MOTHERBOARD_INTEL_SOCKET_775_CORE_2/Intel/BOXDX48BT2.asp

Problem is it might not support an Intel chip!



Sig is now too awesome for you to compare, go ahead :P


Edited by Fat_Bodybuilder: 30/7/2008 7:16:50 PM

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