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Connecting a Apple Airport Extreme/Express to a Windows Vista Laptop
bbjai 
31/8/08 2:40:30 PM
Overlord

Hey everyone

I just recently bought a Airport Extreme and a Airport Extreme. I connected a iMac and a Vista laptop to it no problems.

I used the follow options, Cable modem/Router from Netgear is connected to a Airport Extreme which is then extended by the Express. The channel for the Extreme is 36 whilst the Express is 7, both is set to automatic. I got the Airport Extreme to replace the cable/modem router in my setup as it use to be the router for my network but now its just soley acting as a modem. The cable/modem is set to be a DCHP Server.

The Windows Vista Laptop works FINE last night, it was connecting to the Express well. However it was connected to a network called Apple network (SSID OF THE NETWORK). Using WPA2-Personal. The laptop was shutdown and then booted up this morning and its getting a limited or no connectivity for the connection and the IPv4 is getting a local and a 169.128.0.1 IP Address. It was working fine last night (it could print and surf the net) now it can't at all. Secondly when I connect it via ethernet to the Airport Express its fine, same with the Extreme. So whats the problem would anyone be able to help me?

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Linux_Inside V2 
31/8/08 9:01:00 PM
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Is the Vista machine getting the right Router and DNS addresses?
Turn off DHCP on the Airport


Edited by Linux_Inside V2: 31/8/2008 9:01:42 PM

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bbjai 
31/8/08 11:04:49 PM
Overlord

Quote by Linux_Inside V2
Is the Vista machine getting the right Router and DNS addresses?
Turn off DHCP on the Airport


Edited by Linux_Inside V2: 31/8/2008 9:01:42 PM



Its not getting the right addresses at all, usually its 10. something

The Airport can't turn off DHCP either it doesn't work I tried alot before to get it working. In the specs I've specified for it to replace the Router in the setup. If i put it into bridge mode the same thing happens I don't understand why. It was working fine yesterday.

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Linux_Inside V2 
1/9/08 12:58:10 PM
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you must turn off DHCP on all your airports, turn on WDS mode and set the SSID's to be the same and all

The DHCP must be provided by the modem/router to prevent conflicts

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bbjai 
1/9/08 8:41:14 PM
Overlord

aiiight
ill give that a try and see if it works tomorrow. Right now net is capped lols

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bbjai 
2/9/08 11:28:58 PM
Overlord

Just a quick question
Will I have to set the encryption on at the original router then?
Why does the iMac work wirelessly and the Vista laptop doesn't then? It doesn't make sense to me.

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eckythump 
3/9/08 3:56:12 AM
Champion

Argh. Too many routers!

Can you retire the Netgear router and connect the cable modem directly to the AirPort Extreme and have it manage the connection for you?

I'd turn the Express off for now. Just get it giong how you want with the cable modem connected to the Extreme.

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Linux_Inside V2 
3/9/08 5:26:11 PM
Immortal

Quote by bbjai
Just a quick question
Will I have to set the encryption on at the original router then?
Why does the iMac work wirelessly and the Vista laptop doesn't then? It doesn't make sense to me.



When the DHCP requests are sent out by each respective machine, it comes down to whichever DHCP server responds first - it's hard when you've got 3 DHCP servers vying to be the master

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bbjai 
3/9/08 11:36:18 PM
Overlord

Its not too many routers, the Express is acting as a bridge not as a router, the Airport Extreme is what I'm trying to use as a router. The Express isn't set as a DHCP provider at the moment. The Modem/router is one of those rubbish routers that Optusnet supplied me with so its my MODEM and router.

Maybe i should just ask Optus to supply me with a stock standard modem.

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The Tick 
4/9/08 12:43:17 PM
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I wasn't aware that Optus supplies a Cable modem which acts as a router. This must be something new?

Most of the time they supply a Motorola cable modem and thats it. It's up to you to connect something that will allow NAT from your LAN.

What make + model is it?

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bbjai 
4/9/08 10:49:36 PM
Overlord

http://bc.whirlpool.net.au/bc/hardware/?action=h_view&model_id=628

This is the router supplied by Optus, I don't think it supports WDS which is a problem.

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eckythump 
4/9/08 10:51:40 PM
Champion

Quote by bbjai
Its not too many routers, the Express is acting as a bridge not as a router, the Airport Extreme is what I'm trying to use as a router. The Express isn't set as a DHCP provider at the moment. The Modem/router is one of those rubbish routers that Optusnet supplied me with so its my MODEM and router.

Maybe i should just ask Optus to supply me with a stock standard modem.


You may think you've got the Express configured properly, and you probably do, but you're still over complicating things.

It's always best to start with the absolute minimum and make sure everything works as expected each step of the way as you add more complexity to your network.

And if this thing you've been given from Optusnet is a combination cable modem/router, why do you have it plugged into ANOTHER netgear router?

Are you telling us that the cable modem/router will do NAT and DHCP? I'm confused, and you could do a lot to help if you'd include some model names/numbers, because I really do think you've got some fundamental issues with your network layout.

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bbjai 
5/9/08 12:32:15 AM
Overlord

Ok my bad
I should have supplied all of this first of all
It sorta looks like this:

Optusnet - Netgear CG814WG (Cable modem/ Router) - Airport Extreme (Replace Router on network mode) - Airport Express (extend network).
All the Apple routers are on channel 36.

The reason I have it setup like this is because I like the Airport Express/Extreme having USB ports and Air Tunes. Secondly I originally got the CG814WG off Optus because it was a router AND modem saving space. However having installed it I have noticed the range on the wireless is pathetic hence I bought a new router to solve two birds with one stone.

I used the Express to extend the Extreme Network to the other side of the house.

Tonight I tried to muck around with it (set it into WDS mode) and the iMac could no longer detect the wireless network in its wireless network scan.

When I turn DCHP off on the CG814WG my Extreme cannot connect to the internet. I am connecting the CG814WG to the Extreme through a ethernet cable (to the WAN port on the Extreme).

It just seems wierd to me that the iMac and the Vista laptop were working before. BUT now they both don't work after I fiddled with it. What I might do on the weekend when I have time is start from scratch from the CG814WG to the Extreme then to the Express. Thats how I originally set it up and it worked.

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eckythump 
5/9/08 1:59:33 AM
Champion

Hrm, alright.

Well, it looks like you're trying to a job with the wrong kind of equipment.

Ideally you want to see if you can go into config options on the Netgear and see if you can turn off NAT, DHCP, wireless, and put it into bridge mode. Essentially, turn it into just a plain-jane ethernet DOCCSIS modem.

Once you've done that, configure your AirPort Extreme to manage the connection.

Then you can extend the range with the Express once you've got that working.

And this Channel 36 you speak of, that sounds strange to me.

I've only ever seen channels 1-13 on all the wireless APs I've looked at. Sounds like some Apple silliness.

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bbjai 
5/9/08 10:29:16 AM
Overlord

Channel 36 I think is the N wireless range (both are N routers)

Now I've tried doing that I turned off DCHP Server and Wireless on the Netgear, and what happened was I then hooked it up to my Extreme and my laptop to the Extreme on ethernet. Net result, no internet. I suppose if I turned off NAT will that make a difference?

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bbjai 
5/9/08 6:58:57 PM
Overlord

Btw I really appreciate this you guys are the only people reply to me from multiple threads I've posted up. if you check the above link the Netgear router doens't support WDS unfortunately which might explain my problem when I tried.

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eckythump 
5/9/08 7:13:06 PM
Champion

You can't just plug the netgear into the extreme and expect it to work.

And unless you were able to find a specific option to put the netgear into a mode so that it acts just as a generic modem, then you can assume it's not going to happen.

But turning wireless off on the Netgear is a Good Idea, regardless of how you end up getting this all working, given it's not a Wireless-N product, and even if it was, it's probably best not having two different brands conflicting (given wireless-n isn't standardised yet.)

So, these are the two configuration layouts I can suggest:

Netgear: Turn off DHCP, put into some kind of bridge (act as modem) mode, connect to WAN port on Extreme
Extreme: Configure the Extreme as a router, NAT and DHCP turned on, tell it that there's a DOCSIS modem connected to its WAN port, and provide any other necessary details it asks for.
Express: DHCP and NAT off. Extend th Extreme. Do this last once everythign else is working.

Alternately:

Netgear: DHCP and NAT are turned ON. Connect to a LAN (NOT a WAN) port of your Extreme.
Extreme: NAT and DHCP off. Set up to act purely as a wireless access point if possible. Using a LAN port instead of a WAN port should workaround this if there isn't an option to do so, providing DHCP is turned off.
Express: Extend as above. Do this last.

But keep wireless on the netgear turned off. I think you're done with that.

If you have trouble, a basic copy/paste of the options avaialble on all the devices config pages might be helpful. I might then be able to spot an option that does what you want, but is called something different/silly/I haven't thought of.

Good luck.

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bbjai 
5/9/08 9:34:51 PM
Overlord

Yeh I don't think option one is possible there is no bridge mode and according to the Whirlpool stats thread above Bridge mode doesn't exist. So I would have to try with option two. However it has been suggusted to me that instead of turning off DHCP off I could just turn NAT off and then connect the netgear to the WAN port?


I tried Option two before plugging into the ethernet port, but like the Vista laptop still got Limited or no connectivity and the Express couldn't even see the network.

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eckythump 
6/9/08 2:18:19 AM
Champion

You only want one device doing DHCP and NAT, and it sounds like it'll be easiest if that's the cable modem/router.

What actual options does the Extreme have for configuring your upstream/WAN connection?

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bbjai 
6/9/08 12:52:42 PM
Overlord

OK problem solved, I set it up same way I did before but I updated the drivers on the intel wireless card on the vista laptop

wala works

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