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Pros/cons of Solaris 10?
globalcitizen08 
20/8/08 9:24:47 AM
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Hey everyone,

New here. Was wondering if I could get some advice from more experienced users than myself on the pros/cons of Solaris 10, compared to, say, Ubuntu or any other popular OS. I've heard Solaris 10 is pretty difficult to install and not very user-friendly? A friend highly recommended it, though. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Jeruselem 
20/8/08 9:40:20 AM
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Haven't used it but I hear it's very different from Linux hence all one's Linux experience doesn't help at all.

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TheSecret 
20/8/08 9:58:10 AM
Overlord
Pros: ZFS, FMA, SMF, Zones, reliability, scheduling and limiting..they are the main ones that spring to mind. For a desktop I would be less sure apart from ZFS and Dtrace.

Cons:...It is hard to think of cons except when taking it out of context, in which case it would be things like drivers and perceived speed. It also does not have the same amount of native applications available to linux, however that is not too much a problem.

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wilsontc 
20/8/08 10:15:11 AM
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Install it and give it a shot if you want to get a job with Unix servers. There are heaps of Solaris installations out there.

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slimdog360 
20/8/08 10:26:24 AM
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I've used opensolaris before, its pretty good. I don't think ZFS will let you dual boot yet if you were planning on that. I found that it was really good except for the fewer compiled programs compared to *nix's.

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iamthemaxx 
20/8/08 10:29:14 AM
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I wouldn't bother as a desktop, maybe a VM instance on your machine if you want to play.
But it's not really aimed at desktops.

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globalcitizen08 
20/8/08 11:05:07 AM
Serf
Thanks so much for all the quick replies!

I've been leaning more towards Linux, but want to be sure.

My friend keeps talking about ZFS. What's the deal with ZFS? Sorry, I'm kinda new to this. =\

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Jeruselem 
20/8/08 11:12:33 AM
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Quote by globalcitizen08
Thanks so much for all the quick replies!

I've been leaning more towards Linux, but want to be sure.

My friend keeps talking about ZFS. What's the deal with ZFS? Sorry, I'm kinda new to this. =\



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS

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TheSecret 
20/8/08 11:23:20 AM
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http://www.sun.com/2004-0914/feature/

http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/05/why-zfs-for-home.html

http://gibbs.acu.edu/2008/04/11/why-zfs-rocks/

http://apcmag.com/zfs_what_the_ultimate_file_system_really_means_for_your_desktop__in_plain_engli

Aye.

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eckythump 
20/8/08 1:42:16 PM
Overlord

Pros: It's Solaris
Cons: It's Solaris

It really depends o nwhat you want to do. I think you'd be better off with Linux if you're new to all of this, perhaps playing with Solaris at a later date once you've cut your teeth on something a little less daunting.

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slimdog360 
20/8/08 1:55:05 PM
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Quote by globalcitizen08
Thanks so much for all the quick replies!

I've been leaning more towards Linux, but want to be sure.

My friend keeps talking about ZFS. What's the deal with ZFS? Sorry, I'm kinda new to this. =\


If you're new to it all then you should go with Linux. It'll be easier. Try opensuse.

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Sparky 
20/8/08 2:53:25 PM
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Yeah my mind is thoroughly ruined straight from win xp to solaris 10 - not good. Go linux, it does give you some idea about how solaris works in terms that you will understand more about the concept behind *nix. ZFS is the only reason I chose it for my home media server.

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zebra 
20/8/08 8:20:39 PM
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Oh hai.

I guess I should say something about this.

I'm a UNIX specialist, of a form. I deal with high end storage and kernel architecture, specifically in the Solaris realm. I've had years of tears and joy with this stuff.

I can offer you this advice. Solaris isn't an operating system made for cutting your teeth. It is made for never say die, never shut down, never miss a beat server environments with more RAM, HBA connected storage and CPU cores than exist in most people's small worlds. It is an enterprise class OS, designed to scale massively, on esoteric architectures.

Efforts in Open Solaris 2008.5 are amazing in improving the experience for the desktop user. I suggest you check out Open Solaris if you want it for a desktop experience + high end filesystem technology all bundled into one. Don't expect it to be as usable as a humble linux distribution. It was never made to be simple.

Enjoy Solaris. It is, along with HP-UX and AIX, the top of the top high end operating systems out there, featuring technology under the hood you will find in mainstream desktop operating systems you might see appearing in 3 to 4 years. Get in on it now...you'll never look back!

Equally, listen to what the other guys have said - the usability quotient isn't so high...but keep in mind, Open Solaris 2008.5 was MADE for addressing this, to try to get more people, like you, using it!

z

PS - almost forgot something. If you end up as a high end UNIX specialist, you'll never get called a linux weenie. People will fear the ground you tread on. (No offence to the Linux krew).


Edited by zebra: 20/8/2008 9:26:34 PM

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robzy 
20/8/08 10:42:38 PM
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I wish I had something to use an OpenSolaris server for.

How would it fare as a Desktop OS?

Rob.

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slimdog360 
21/8/08 11:07:46 AM
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Quote by zebra

PS - almost forgot something. If you end up as a high end UNIX specialist, you'll never get called a linux weenie. People will fear the ground you tread on. (No offence to the Linux krew).


lolz

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zebra 
21/8/08 1:52:35 PM
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Quote by robzy
I wish I had something to use an OpenSolaris server for.

How would it fare as a Desktop OS?

Rob.



Open Solaris nevada builds, not so good at all. It's a server OS, pure and simple.

Open Solaris Indiana builds, fairly awesome and getting far more advanced by the day!

Just don't expect something that holds your hand and is cuddling you every step of the way, like Ubuntu/Kubuntu.

z

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iamthemaxx 
21/8/08 2:08:53 PM
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zebra 
21/8/08 2:21:09 PM
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Quote by iamthemaxx
Some of us like our cuddles!



Ohez, don't get me wrong. We all love OS Hugs-for-free, but yeah - Nevada ain't that.

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Meeko 
28/8/08 8:40:19 PM
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It's VM that can run Windows, can't it?

Pro: Runs Windows.
Con: Runs Windows.

:-D

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Redhatter 
30/8/08 12:03:55 PM
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Quote by zebra
Quote by iamthemaxx
Some of us like our cuddles!



Ohez, don't get me wrong. We all love OS Hugs-for-free, but yeah - Nevada ain't that.



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