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Linux not for Desktops?......Yeah Right..
Waltish 
6/8/08 9:16:28 PM
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Titan


IBM, Canonical/Ubuntu, Novell, Red Hat to Deliver Microsoft-Free Desktops Worldwide

SAN FRANCISCO, CA, Aug 05, 2008 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- For the first time, IBM (IBM:
International Business Machines

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IBM 128.87, +1.31, +1.0%) and leading Linux distributors Canonical/Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat will join forces globally with their hardware partners to deliver Microsoft-free personal computing choices with Lotus Notes and Lotus Symphony in the one billion-unit desktop market worldwide by 2009.

Citing shifting market forces and the growing demand for economical alternatives to costly Windows and Office-based computers, the four leaders sense an ideal set of circumstances allowing Linux-based desktops to proliferate in the coming year.

Linux is far more profitable for a PC vendor and the operating system is better equipped to work with lower cost hardware than new Microsoft technology.

"The slow adoption of Vista among businesses and budget-conscious CIOs, coupled with the proven success of a new type of Microsoft-free PC in every region, provides an extraordinary window of opportunity for Linux," said Kevin Cavanaugh, vice president for IBM Lotus Software.

"We'll work to unlock the desktop to save our customers money and give freedom of choice by offering this industry-leading solution."

The four leaders are working with their local business partners in markets around the world to build and distribute a pre-loaded PC offering that features IBM's Open Collaboration Client Solution (OCCS) ( http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/lotus/library/occs-overview/) including Lotus Notes, Lotus Symphony and Lotus Sametime; the Linux operating system of each distributor; and software applications and installation services from the local partners in each market.

The final product will be branded by the local IT firms that bring it to market. In addition, customers, independent software vendors (ISVs) and systems integrators have the choice of developing applications using Lotus Expeditor based on the open source Eclipse programming model.

These solutions would be tailored to the needs of customers in specific industries and sectors. For example, one type of solution for government buyers may support key ISV applications for document/case management, crisis management, and citizen services.

Another version for Banks would account for support for virtual thin clients that bring together the infrastructure and applications along with Lotus social software for branch bank front office and contact center transformation.

The emphasis for use in schools would be giving students and faculty a low cost open platform that can capitalize on the strengths of Lotus collaboration and social software. Understanding of such distinct customer preferences has been accumulated from customized, local engagements around the world.

"IBM software and Linux on desktop combined is not just a better price/performance substitute for the Microsoft offering, but it provides a new platform for customers and business partners to add true value by creating tailor-made solutions," said Milan Prohaska, General Manager of

Austria-based VDEL. "The combined power of Eclipse and Lotus -- offered in a stable and secure Linux environment at less then half the cost of the equivalent Microsoft offering -- will create a new ecosystem for solution providers and developers, and set new standards in value-for-the-money for the customers."

IBM and its Linux partners are inspired by the success of this Linux-based package locally in both established and developing markets. Austrian IT firm VDEL debuted the first such offering named OpenReferent in Eastern Europe earlier this year with IBM's OCCS on Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The reception, particularly in the expansive Russian market, was very strong.

Diverse commercial and government organizations such as Russia Post (Russian postal service) and Rushotel have piloted and phased in the new desktops, saving 30-35 percent of the cost of the Microsoft equivalent. VDEL has extended OpenReferent to include IBM Tivoli desktop management and security capabilities as well.

"We are pleased with the uptake among customers including enterprises, governments, small businesses, and partners adopting OCCS powered by Red Hat's enterprise Linux desktop," said Scott Crenshaw, Vice President, Platform Business Unit at Red Hat. "Customers are demanding a Microsoft-less PC, and we have responded with our reliable, secure Linux solution through our top channel partners worldwide, building on the success we've seen in Eastern Europe and other markets."

Novell launched a similar solution based on IBM's collaboration software and SUSE Linux Enterprise with Avnet UK, the largest IT distributor in the United Kingdom, and its local business partners.

"Novell is excited to partner with IBM to drive desktop innovation and deliver the open collaboration client solution to enterprises worldwide," said Roger Levy, Senior Vice President and General Manager of Open Platform Solutions at Novell.

"As the best-engineered and most interoperable Linux from the desktop to the data center, SUSE Linux Enterprise is a strong fit for IBM. The unique combination of IBM's Lotus software powered by SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop enables enterprises to strengthen security, improve flexibility, and dramatically lower costs compared to Vista. In addition, deployment is made very easy with a seamless one-click installation feature."

The popularity of IBM OCCS on each Linux variant has grown dramatically in the past year. Thousands of people are working today on OCCS-powered Linux PCs across North America, Europe, Asia, and Australia. In North America, public school systems, local governments and IT firms such as the Government of Quebec Ministry of Service, CSS Corp. and IBM itself rely on OCCS. In Europe, customers include Radbound University in Netherlands; Constructora San Jose of Spain; and Dotriver in France, among others.

In the eastern hemisphere, Safran Aerospace of India, SMB Outsourcing Park of China and Kennards Hire (manufacturing) of Australia are among the growing legions of MS-free advocates.
Canonical, which sells subscription support for Ubuntu, a Linux operating system that scores high marks on usability and "the cool factor," will re-distribute Lotus Symphony via their repositories. Symphony 1.1 will be available through the Ubuntu repositories by the end of August. General availability will coincide with the Lotus Symphony 1.2 release expected to be available by the end of October 2008.

"We are excited about distributing Lotus Symphony from Canonical online store," said Malcom Yates, Vice President, Canonical. "Open Collaboration Client Solution powered by Ubuntu that includes Lotus Notes and Symphony gives us the opportunity to deliver a complete Microsoft desktop alternative to our customers. We look forward to working with our hardware partners to expand their solution offerings."

Value Added Distributors (VAD) and resellers will be offering the IBM Open Collaboration Client Solution to their customers worldwide. For example more than 12 VADs worldwide are offering OCCS powered by SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop from Novell to their resellers. Examples include Arrow in the US and Avnet in the UK. Some, such as VDEL, combined OCCS powered by Red Hat with their own applications. Systems Integrators such as CSScorp offer required services.
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Contact:
Mike Azzi
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SOURCE: IBM
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I love the smell of a paradigm shift ... It smells ..Like Victory hehehehhe.


Source:: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ibm-canonicalubuntu-novell-red-hat/story.aspx?guid={F6BECED

There are Links on the source page.



Edited by Waltish: 7/8/2008 1:50:37 AM

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replace monopoly with choice

1shot1kill 
6/8/08 9:30:29 PM
SuperHero
Colossus


It's good to see companies offering more choice but I seriously think it's too late for Linux distros to grab a significant market share.

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Harden up, BITCHES!!

Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?

It's still rocket surgery. I just make it look easy, is all.

iamthemaxx 
6/8/08 9:48:01 PM
Mod
SuperHero

Immortal


Wall of text does +10 damage.

Also, they said that Netscape was the be all of browsers at one point....

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Jeruselem 
6/8/08 11:04:21 PM
Champion

Oh God, please keep Lotus Notes off desktops. I spent 5 years programming for Lotus Notes and it's a horrible product. I am a certified Lotus programmer for R4 and R5 ... yes, the current version is lot better but I prefer Outlook to Lotus Notes as mail client.

I currently work with Microsoft SQL Server, Access, Outlook and Office now.


Edited by Jeruselem: 6/8/2008 11:10:15 PM

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TheSecret 
6/8/08 11:48:14 PM
Master
Good god man, if you want people to read your propaganda could you have not at least formatted it?

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

wilsontc 
7/8/08 12:59:39 AM
Guru

Quote by TheSecret
Good god man, if you want people to read your propaganda could you have not at least formatted it?



Or just provided the link. Seriously, we've had this discussion one hundred times or more in the OSS section, but I guess Waltish wants to beat this drivel into other sections too.

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Waltish 
7/8/08 1:43:15 AM
Hero
Titan


If you got nothing to say re the subject don't bother posting.

If you think there is something wrong with the post RTM it.

But for them that cant cope reading a page of text I will make some spaces.


Hehehehe

PS: wilsontc we cant have discussed this before because its only recently been announced, and this is the first time I have posted this info about this collaboration to distribute.

And seriously your not wanting to hear about this sort of thing does not and will not factor into my decision to post this sort of material.

A tip .. if you don't like hearing of positive news re Linux just don't read it {:)


Edited by Waltish: 7/8/2008 1:59:10 AM

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Waltish 
7/8/08 2:06:17 AM
Hero
Titan


Quote by iamthemaxx
Wall of text does +10 damage.

Also, they said that Netscape was the be all of browsers at one point....



I fixed the text.

But this is more than a browser, its an operating system and office collaboration suit on hardware supported by 4 major players, also the IT environment is different to the one netscape was born into, I don't think the netscape story relates in any way.
{:)

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Pete 
7/8/08 7:38:04 AM
Champion

Sweet. More options. FTW!

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GlennsPref 
7/8/08 9:15:49 AM
Champion

I agree with you, Waltish, it's a ground breaking story for linux as a whole, it's never too late for alternatives to M$ windows.

And please remember, all you knockers, not everyone out there is as interested in the tech as we are, most people just want to save money and have a good alternative product that just works (one click install).

Personally I'm putting this in my bag of tricks for when I'm servicing winxp failures, to promote OSS.

cheers,

ps, just because outlook or any other program is installed, does not mean you have to use it. I can't remember the last time I used outlook, or thunderbird for that matter. (web-mail for me thanks)


Edited by GlennsPref: 7/8/2008 09:28:08 AM

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TheSecret 
7/8/08 10:17:37 AM
Master
If you want to actually talk about the article, fine.

It is a pointless waste of time and money.

Some business will spend a whole lot of money switching to this, find out their hardware is not 100% compatible and the lotus applications are not adequate for their needs, and then spend even more money migrating back to windows, or something else.

The money spent on this endeavor, would be far, far better utilized by helping develop openoffice and better hardware support, so the "one click install" could be that much closer to reality.

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

wilsontc 
7/8/08 10:27:35 AM
Guru

Wow guys, you have really missed the point I think.

Symphony is not open source! Can't you see what is happening? Because of all this wonderful commercial support that you keep harping on about, more and more closed source code is being pushed out to people.

Stop confusing free and open source! Waltish always keeps saying I hate Linux. I don't! I just hate closed source, binary only, and that's Symphony. Wake up guys! It's not about providing a low cost alternative, it's about freeing us from bit rot, poor coding, unfixable and unimprovable code. That's why we want to use Unix, because there is a stack of open source systems to pick from. Windows XP is low cost; $100 per client is not a lot. But it starts to become expensive when you have to pay for productivity apps, application servers etc etc. Sure, Linux/Symphony may be free, but it's still going to suffer from all the other problems that Windows/Office has.

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TheSecret 
7/8/08 10:41:49 AM
Master
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with closed source. Open source of course has many advantages, but if a company has a cool idea and wants to make money of it, sometimes that is not possible if the source is released. Closed source does not necessarily mean worse quality either.

I say this as someone who is in the process of developing a new product and business based around it, and hoping to push it out. If it were open source, I would suffer financially, that is just a fact based on the type of software it is. For browsers, and drivers it should be open source, for everything? I'm not convinced.

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

Jeruselem 
7/8/08 10:42:54 AM
Champion

Symphony is rehash of Open Office I think (albiet a bad one).

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GlennsPref 
7/8/08 12:25:40 PM
Champion

I stand corrected!

FOSS and nix's , but it will still turn heads, and that is still good for linux, because those ppl will go home at night and maybe look for a better product, like linux desktops, and Open Office, instead of upgrading to some other M$/closed source product.

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wilsontc 
7/8/08 12:33:37 PM
Guru

Quote by Jeruselem
Symphony is rehash of Open Office I think (albiet a bad one).



I hope I'm wrong, but I thought it was Open Office with closed source patches for Lotus Notes compatibility or something similar.

Waltish, please prove me wrong on this! I can't believe that you would advocate closed source software!

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CptnChrysler 
7/8/08 2:01:10 PM
Master

Quote by TheSecret

The money spent on this endeavor, would be far, far better utilized by helping develop openoffice and better hardware support, so the "one click install" could be that much closer to reality.



The 'one click' install IS here!

Don't belive me?

Check out the WUBI installer.

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eckythump 
7/8/08 3:43:06 PM
Overlord

Mmm. I have some reservations here, too.

Having some large PC manufacturers supporting linux could be a good thing for the community, especially if it encourages open-source driver development for previously unsupported hardware. And while I would need some serious $$$ incentives to buy a brand name PC over a custom built system, I would appreciate being able to choose the Linux option and not have to pay for a MS license. I'd possibly even install XP on it, but I would use my copy and my license. There are far too many people who buy a new compaq/HP/etc every couple of years and just shell out over and over for more licenses, and I find that whole situation rather contemptable.

I do fear that we may just see a custom distribution with soem binary-only drivers, and that's not that great for anyone, really.

I don't really have an issue with the Lotus software being closed source. I don't have any problems with companies trying to make money, and a little secrecy isn't always a bad thing. Drivers should e open-source, because it's the hardware being sold, not the driver. But when it's the software being sold, I'm a bit more open-minded.

Now, that's not to say that I think that most open-source alternatives do just as well, and often better, but there's still a place for both. And at this very moment, I'm going to say that less MS, no matter how it's done, is a good thing.

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Waltish 
7/8/08 8:55:15 PM
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Titan


I haven't advocated closed source , I posted a news story.

Them that hack will still have their open packages, this is aimed at gaining traction in the desktop market place and mostly on the business desktop.

w

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wilsontc 
8/8/08 12:16:37 AM
Guru

Quote by Waltish
I haven't advocated closed source , I posted a news story.



Quote by Waltish
I love the smell of a paradigm shift ... It smells ..Like Victory hehehehhe.






Moving from one closed source platform to another is hardly a 'pardigm shift'. Evolution maybe.

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