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Discuss: Splashtop instant-on Linux hacked
iamthemaxx 
31/7/08 12:22:56 PM
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iamthemaxx thinks:

Awesome stuff!

Make you wonder why these guys can do this but the big players cannot seem to get grips on the whole idea.

About the Atomic article Splashtop instant-on Linux hacked

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?CIID=118322

Run more from your firmware

What do you think?

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Malicine 
31/7/08 1:27:53 PM
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"bunded" ?

...is your editor away?

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Jeruselem 
31/7/08 2:34:16 PM
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Quote by Malicine
"bunded" ?

...is your editor away?



It's an Inquirer article! They now spell "Apple sources" as "Apple sauces". :)

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thesorehead 
31/7/08 4:17:43 PM
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I don't rate TheInquirer very higly, mostly due to their inability to spell.

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Redhatter 
31/7/08 6:12:20 PM
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This is interesting that larger companies are starting to take Linux a lot more seriously now. I wonder what this impact this "instant-on" desktop will have on Microsoft's sales, especially if people realise the bare motherboard has an OS already installed.

Actually, such an OS setup could be very useful when setting up a computer for someone who just wants to browse the web with minimum fuss.

Quote by thesorehead
I don't rate TheInquirer very higly, mostly due to their inability to spell.




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thesorehead 
1/8/08 8:55:25 AM
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Someone didn't re-read the article, and needs to recalibrate their irony sensor:

"This means it bypasses the computer's usual OS, and is higly optimised for a quick boot."


Edited by thesorehead: 1/8/2008 8:56:19 AM

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Jeruselem 
1/8/08 9:12:40 AM
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If the LINUX is on the BIOS chip, one has to be very careful not wreck it as the last thing you want is the BIOS getting destroyed along with on-board OS.

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Redhatter 
2/8/08 10:53:14 PM
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Jeruselem: Well, that's the same with any BIOS... Linux-embedded or not.

I think you'll find what they've done is set up a BIOS with an ELF loader embedded and MTD sufficient flash, so that the "BIOS chip" is partitioned into the BIOS ROM itself and the kernel/initial environment for ASUS' Splashtop product.

It could even be a completely separate IC... thus an update there has little opportunity to touch anything in the main BIOS.

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eckythump 
3/8/08 12:07:27 PM
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Quote by Redhatter
This is interesting that larger companies are starting to take Linux a lot more seriously now. I wonder what this impact this "instant-on" desktop will have on Microsoft's sales, especially if people realise the bare motherboard has an OS already installed.

Actually, such an OS setup could be very useful when setting up a computer for someone who just wants to browse the web with minimum fuss.


If the onboard OS is opened up a little more, and this starts to become more common place, then it could be a *great* thing for the purposes of system recovery.

Something like SystemRescueCD onboard and always at hand, that'd be great. Especially if you're trying to help your braindamaged parents over the phone.

I shall perhaps get to play with such things next upgrade.

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Linux_Inside V2 
3/8/08 1:41:30 PM
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Quote by eckythump
Quote by Redhatter
This is interesting that larger companies are starting to take Linux a lot more seriously now. I wonder what this impact this "instant-on" desktop will have on Microsoft's sales, especially if people realise the bare motherboard has an OS already installed.

Actually, such an OS setup could be very useful when setting up a computer for someone who just wants to browse the web with minimum fuss.


If the onboard OS is opened up a little more, and this starts to become more common place, then it could be a *great* thing for the purposes of system recovery.

Something like SystemRescueCD onboard and always at hand, that'd be great. Especially if you're trying to help your braindamaged parents over the phone.

I shall perhaps get to play with such things next upgrade.



Plenty of machines have System Recovery built in, not many mainboards have 80GB worth of Flash ram to hold your recovery image though, so it's usually on a hidden partition.

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Redhatter 
4/8/08 5:47:49 PM
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No...but look how much Linux LiveCDs cram into 700MB of ISO image.

Look how cheap 1GB USB flash devices have become.

Now consider how easy it is for a motherboard manufacturer to provide 1GB MTD flash pre-loaded with Linux, and stuff it with a decent environment to recover the system.

(For the record, the 1GB chips without controller would be a lot cheaper than any USB devices you can get... the only catch is wear levelling would have to be in software using JFFS2 or YAFFS.)

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Linux_Inside V2 
6/8/08 8:03:50 PM
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Quote by Redhatter
No...but look how much Linux LiveCDs cram into 700MB of ISO image.

Look how cheap 1GB USB flash devices have become.

Now consider how easy it is for a motherboard manufacturer to provide 1GB MTD flash pre-loaded with Linux, and stuff it with a decent environment to recover the system.

(For the record, the 1GB chips without controller would be a lot cheaper than any USB devices you can get... the only catch is wear levelling would have to be in software using JFFS2 or YAFFS.)



When they produce hundreds of mainboards and are constantly cutting costs where possible, it doesn't sound viable to me in a corporate sense.

Even if it did, you could throw in a memory stick with a linux install on it, but the vast majority of people want Windows. what's your average Vista install running these days? you need to factor in all the value added bullshit system vendors like to throw in with a default install too.

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Squidy 
6/8/08 11:51:59 PM
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Quote by thesorehead
I don't rate TheInquirer very higly , mostly due to their inability to spell.






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lew~ 
7/8/08 11:00:47 AM
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Quote by Squidy
Quote by thesorehead
I don't rate TheInquirer very higly , mostly due to their inability to spell.






Bit rich isn't it?


Quote by thesorehead
Someone didn't re-read the article, and needs to recalibrate their irony sensor:

"This means it bypasses the computer's usual OS, and is higly optimised for a quick boot."


Edited by thesorehead: 1/8/2008 8:56:19 AM

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eckythump 
7/8/08 4:03:46 PM
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Quote by Linux_Inside V2
Plenty of machines have System Recovery built in, not many mainboards have 80GB worth of Flash ram to hold your recovery image though, so it's usually on a hidden partition.


I believe you misunderstood.

What I mean is, take a Linux Live CD like "SystemRescueCD". It's a really great little live CD to have handy if Windows shits itself and you want to be able to get in and easily access your files. It comes with various ntfs utilities so you can mount, make an image, dump an image, etc.

Adding such tools to these onboard linuxes that are emerging wouldn't take much space at all, we're talking 10mb at most.

So, I dont' know what this 80gb of flash you're talking about is coming from. We're talking the same amount they're currently using.

As as for many motherboards coming with "system recovery" already... say what? News to me. Hidden recovery partitions are the only thing I'm aware of that come close to that, and they're not usable environments, they're just a streamlined installer that dumps an image to the other partition. Hope you don't want to keep any of your data.

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wilsontc 
7/8/08 4:20:34 PM
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Eckythump...please get a job at Asus or Gigabyte!!! Your idea is a really good one, and it would sure make most of our lives easier.

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Linux_Inside V2 
7/8/08 10:07:56 PM
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Quote by eckythump
Quote by Linux_Inside V2
Plenty of machines have System Recovery built in, not many mainboards have 80GB worth of Flash ram to hold your recovery image though, so it's usually on a hidden partition.


I believe you misunderstood.

What I mean is, take a Linux Live CD like "SystemRescueCD". It's a really great little live CD to have handy if Windows shits itself and you want to be able to get in and easily access your files. It comes with various ntfs utilities so you can mount, make an image, dump an image, etc.

Adding such tools to these onboard linuxes that are emerging wouldn't take much space at all, we're talking 10mb at most.

So, I dont' know what this 80gb of flash you're talking about is coming from. We're talking the same amount they're currently using.

As as for many motherboards coming with "system recovery" already... say what? News to me. Hidden recovery partitions are the only thing I'm aware of that come close to that, and they're not usable environments, they're just a streamlined installer that dumps an image to the other partition. Hope you don't want to keep any of your data.



I thought you meant HDD Based Recovery software that the PC Vendors like Dell use
And while it does just re-image the disk, vendors like Acer ship machines with an extra partition for all your data, not to mention that Restore wiping out everything means it gets rid of any problems or nasties on windows, you should be backing up anything important anyway.

Windows having an "Archive and install" option like OSX would make things better, then you wouldn't need to lose the data.

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Redhatter 
9/8/08 12:17:06 PM
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Quote by Linux_Inside V2
I thought you meant HDD Based Recovery software that the PC Vendors like Dell use
And while it does just re-image the disk, vendors like Acer ship machines with an extra partition for all your data, not to mention that Restore wiping out everything means it gets rid of any problems or nasties on windows, you should be backing up anything important anyway.



I noticed this too when doing some work on an Acer machine recently. Thumbs up Acer! Pity they didn't see the sense in changing the "My Documents" folder to point to D:\.

But there's no reason these days why the restore disc couldn't be stored in on-board flash either. Not with the cost of flash media coming down.

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