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Linux friendly graphics card?
kjao 
28/7/08 10:00:55 AM
Learner
Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a PCI-E graphics card that is fully compatibile with linux without using 3rd party drivers (ie not ATI or Nvidia)? The only one I can think of is Matrox graphics cards but they are a little dear in price.

I don't play games but am interested in trying out the 3D desktop features.

Thanks
Kenny

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wilsontc 
28/7/08 10:10:53 AM
Guru

Matrox is your only choice. Actually, some Intel onboard GPUs like 965G might be supported too. Try googling for that.

But otherwise you're stuck with Nvidia or AMD.

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Bob Hawke 
28/7/08 10:18:32 AM
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Matrox and all Intel Chipsets have GNU drivers.

ATI have some pretty functional drivers through the RadeonHD driver, see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home forum for more info ;)

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Jeruselem 
28/7/08 10:28:43 AM
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Matrix cards aren't known for the 3D ... they are mainly 2D (overpriced workstation 2D). Intel integrated is getting better but it's not exactly that good yet though Linux support is the best for them.

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wilsontc 
28/7/08 4:35:33 PM
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Quote by Jeruselem
Matrix cards aren't known for the 3D ... they are mainly 2D (overpriced workstation 2D). Intel integrated is getting better but it's not exactly that good yet though Linux support is the best for them.



Intel should be more than enough for 3D desktop.

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Jeruselem 
28/7/08 4:56:00 PM
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Quote by wilsontc
Quote by Jeruselem
Matrix cards aren't known for the 3D ... they are mainly 2D (overpriced workstation 2D). Intel integrated is getting better but it's not exactly that good yet though Linux support is the best for them.



Intel should be more than enough for 3D desktop.



That's if he has Intel board with an integrated GPU ...


Edited by Jeruselem: 28/7/2008 4:59:00 PM

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kjao 
29/7/08 8:40:42 AM
Learner
Thanks for the replies so far. Looks like I am stuck with either Nivida, ATI or Intel if I don't want to spend too much money.

I have been thinking about putting together a new PC with AMD CPU. Should I get a motherboard with Nvidia GPU or ATI GPU, ie which has better support/works better under linux?

Thanks
Kenny

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wilsontc 
29/7/08 10:05:34 AM
Guru

Quote by kjao
Thanks for the replies so far. Looks like I am stuck with either Nivida, ATI or Intel if I don't want to spend too much money.

I have been thinking about putting together a new PC with AMD CPU. Should I get a motherboard with Nvidia GPU or ATI GPU, ie which has better support/works better under linux?

Thanks
Kenny



Well Kenny, you're stuck with a binary failware driver for each, just like in Windows, so it doesn't matter. They're both about the same :)
I'd go for AMD personally.

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GlennsPref 
29/7/08 9:41:29 PM
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From my current experience I would go for the nVidia, but a PCI-E card.

The price of them now, with ddr3 aswell, will save you a bit (128mb or more) of system ram and are easy to install.

All I do is recompile the kernel and install.

The only let down is the crappy ncurses install screen, makes you wonder where the money went.

Cheers, Glenn

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[playerone] 
31/7/08 9:38:25 AM
Overlord

"Crappy" ncurses?

That makes the install routine function on pretty much 100% of non-X terminals. Which is what you get if your drivers don't work with your kernel anymore. (after a kernel upgrade for example).

The installer works perfectly and is very easy to follow, what makes it crap?

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GlennsPref 
31/7/08 11:03:58 AM
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"Crappy" ncurses?

That makes the install routine function on pretty much 100% of non-X terminals. Which is what you get if your drivers don't work with your kernel anymore. (after a kernel upgrade for example).

The installer works perfectly and is very easy to follow, what makes it crap?



On my system, and I've heard about it else where (LQ) the formatting (if that is the term) of the text on screen, all written over the top of the last, and difficult to see the next phase of the install, and making it really hard to read the output of the installer.

Otherwise it works really well, but it could put newbies off.

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wilsontc 
31/7/08 12:45:19 PM
Guru

Quote by GlennsPref
"Crappy" ncurses?

That makes the install routine function on pretty much 100% of non-X terminals. Which is what you get if your drivers don't work with your kernel anymore. (after a kernel upgrade for example).

The installer works perfectly and is very easy to follow, what makes it crap?



On my system, and I've heard about it else where (LQ) the formatting (if that is the term) of the text on screen, all written over the top of the last, and difficult to see the next phase of the install, and making it really hard to read the output of the installer.

Otherwise it works really well, but it could put newbies off.



whichever distro you have has a broken Termcap :|


Edited by wilsontc: 31/7/2008 12:45:48 PM

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GlennsPref 
1/8/08 10:55:11 PM
Champion

Termcap, what? Is that a memory/history usage setting for the terminal?

Hmm, I'll have to look into that...

TermInfo is used with later versions.

But my system uses termcap.



Edited by GlennsPref: 2/8/2008 12:18:13 PM

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AnthraxPants 
2/8/08 12:10:34 PM
Overlord

ATI

-AMD are releasing open source drivers for ATI cards. There are already some open source drivers for Radeon cards. AMD have also released a lot of technical information for previous versions of ATI GPUs that make it possible for drivers and other software to be developed open source.

ATM the latest available drivers for current ATI cards on AMD site are still proprietary drivers.

There is a lot of info if you want to develope your own open source software though.

Check this out - open GPU
http://developer.amd.com/documentation/guides/Pages/default.aspx#open_gpu

and this - GPU sample code
http://developer.amd.com/samples/Pages/default.aspx#gpu_samples

Specs
http://developer.amd.com/documentation/specifications/Pages/default.aspx


Now have a look at what Nvidia gives you
http://developer.nvidia.com/page/home.html

Some proprietary drivers
http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html




Edited by AnthraxPants: 2/8/2008 1:26:57 PM

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Redhatter 
2/8/08 10:44:49 PM
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If Intel actually sold their graphics chipset as an AGP card that I could plug into my non-Intel motherboard, I'd definitely consider buying it.

Sadly, I don't know of any such offering. ATI/AMD is the next-best thing.

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Bob Hawke 
4/8/08 9:52:11 PM
Guru

What not to like about the I740 :P

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kjao 
11/8/08 12:23:51 PM
Learner
Thanks for all the helpful replies. Judging from the replies, I will probably go with AMD/ATI or Intel with Intel graphics.

Thanks
Kenny

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dave_blob 
13/8/08 7:06:15 PM
Guru

Its pretty amazing how quickly AMD have turned around ATI's open source image.

Any thread older than 6months or maybe a year ago would have been NVIDIA NVIDIA NVIDIA.

I had stopped buying ATI cards, but ive started again now after their turnaround.

gw AMD!

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Outcast_Aussie 
13/8/08 8:43:22 PM
Champion

I deliberately steered away from Ati which I've been since Matrox lost the plot with the purchase of my latest card.

I bought an XFX GT8800 for Ubuntu because of the grief I got with Ati cards.... Then .. Low and Behold... Ati announce they are going to support Linux !!

Typical

Oh well... The GT8800 plays well with compiz etc.

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