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A 3 Month Suspoension is a little long, aint it?
Doctor Octopus 
1/9/08 11:21:04 AM
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I would like to open a discussion about the time length that certain members get suspended for. Realising that someone does something against the rules on an internet forum, obviously grants the person the right to be disciplined in someway. Often this discipline is a simple warning from the mods, which states that the user has done something wrong, and if they continue to act in that manner, they will be facing something more than a warning.

It seems to me that a Suspension is a rather new-ish thing on atomic, when the user is allowed to come back without the permission of a a Mod/God, after a certain time period. Ever since I've been here (a LONG time - forget my userID) I've only ever seen full on bannings for those that break the FAQ severely, or continue to do something wrong.

I actually like the idea of a suspension, however, because it allows the user to rethink their etiquette and come back as a better poster. However, the time on the suspensions are pretty ridiculously long, such as 1 month to 3 months. That's a quarter of a year, ~180 days, that's a long time to be shoved off something which most people wouldn't even care about. Which brings me to my next point: This isn't real life, I feel that the implementation of the rules give the mods too much of a policeman feeling. As in, sentencing someone to prison for 3 months.

I reckon that if someone is banned for that long, then they should be banned full on. However, that's no offense to Twinair, as, as far as I know, his suspension was due to an act against a another member, which he did not mean in an evil way, but unfortunately the member took it like that.

Discuss!

Edit: Sorry this is not as clear as it should be, can't really think of how to put it. Basically I feel that 3 months bannings are too long.


Edited by Doctor Octopus: 1/9/2008 11:27:04 AM

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Tom 
1/9/08 11:38:47 AM
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Jeruselem 
1/9/08 12:20:31 PM
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Depends ... if it's a first offense caused by the user being new here, I'd be lenient. If the user is serial offender who never learns, hit them really hard.

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The Fuzz damn you! 
1/9/08 12:59:31 PM
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At the moment, suspensions are being used as an alternative to bannings. Yes, 3 months is a long time, and any time someone has been suspended for 3 months they have well and truly deserved it. If you don't want your bestest buddy banned for 3 months, how about talking to them about staying within the guidelines and treating other forum members with respect rather than complaining about the punishment they receive for their own transgressions? Because in the end, while a 3 month suspension may seem like a long time compared to a one week suspension, it's a hell of a lot shorter than a life-time ban, which is what you really do need to be comparing it to.

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Doctor Octopus 
1/9/08 1:31:30 PM
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Quote by The Fuzz damn you!
At the moment, suspensions are being used as an alternative to bannings. Yes, 3 months is a long time, and any time someone has been suspended for 3 months they have well and truly deserved it. If you don't want your bestest buddy banned for 3 months, how about talking to them about staying within the guidelines and treating other forum members with respect rather than complaining about the punishment they receive for their own transgressions? Because in the end, while a 3 month suspension may seem like a long time compared to a one week suspension, it's a hell of a lot shorter than a life-time ban, which is what you really do need to be comparing it to.



Interesting point.

Just as a side note (this is serious) what is the likely hood of something actually coming back after being expelled from a community for that long?

Answers such as "I don't care" are prohibited ;-)

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TheFrunj 
1/9/08 1:41:18 PM
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Quote by Doctor Octopus
Just as a side note (this is serious) what is the likely hood of something actually coming back after being expelled from a community for that long?

Answers such as "I don't care" are prohibited ;-)


I don't care.


Seriously though, what part about a life time ban don't you get?

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eckythump 
1/9/08 1:46:05 PM
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Nicely put, Fuzz. I was going to say exactly that.

And with reference to twinair, I have no idea what specifically got him suspended (though I'm curious if anyone wants to share), but leading up to that point in time, I had been thinking that he deserved to be banned.

I thought he was being a general anti-social cunt and was generally behaving distastefully.

Now, that may just be hi sonline persona, and it's hard to tell in text how much is serious and how much is hijinx. I actually suspect he's probably someone I'd enjoy hanging out with IRL, but on here I thought he was a twat.

So a three month suspension seems like a good deal when a lifetime ban is the alternative.

And for some, I imagine suspensions/bans are a bit like rappers going to prison. Give 'em some street cred.

I think rap sucks, but plenty of people like it. :)

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Doctor Octopus 
1/9/08 1:47:08 PM
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Quote by TheFrunj
Quote by Doctor Octopus
Just as a side note (this is serious) what is the likely hood of something actually coming back after being expelled from a community for that long?

Answers such as "I don't care" are prohibited ;-)


I don't care.


Seriously though, what part about a life time ban don't you get?



I was referring to the 3 month ban, how could you come back after a life-time ban?

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hectorbustnuts 
1/9/08 3:42:48 PM
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It's been known...there's more than a few around who've been banned outright and have had it lifted.

Some make an entrance, others just slide on back and no-one's the wiser.

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The Fuzz damn you! 
1/9/08 4:35:01 PM
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Quote by Doctor Octopus
Just as a side note (this is serious) what is the likely hood of something actually coming back after being expelled from a community for that long?

Answers such as "I don't care" are prohibited ;-)


It really is up to the individual. Obviously we want people who we have handed out suspensions to to come back, otherwise we'd be banning them outright. If we've handed out a lengthy suspension, it's because we feel that a severe transgression of the guidelines has been made, but that the person in question still has the potential to contribute in a positive manner to the forums. Is it possible that a lengthy suspension will result in someone leaving for good? We hope not, but of course there's always that chance. I can't think of a suspension ever been handed down where the person hasn't joined back up at the end of it though, and there have been a few cases of individuals who have been banned asking to be let back in over a year later, so I'd say the odds are pretty good. If someone decides to move on though, as I said, that's their decision -- we certainly do care, but we have to put the good of the community first. That means ensuring that the basic guidelines -- guidelines that really do boil down to "act respectfully and don't be an arse" and are for the most part pretty common-sensical -- are adhered to, and suitable punishments laid down when they are not.

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Nich... 
1/9/08 4:57:47 PM
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How often are people banned, and then talk to David (nee Ben) and get unbanned relatively shortly thereafter? Are suspensions to combat this?

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Squidy 
1/9/08 4:58:20 PM
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3 months is 180 days? huh?

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Mac Dude 
1/9/08 5:11:49 PM
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permanent > 3 months, so 3 months is short :)

Yes people come back after long breaks, and 3 months isn't really a long time.

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1shot1kill 
1/9/08 5:17:40 PM
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Quote by Doctor Octopus
It seems to me that a Suspension is a rather new-ish thing on atomic, when the user is allowed to come back without the permission of a a Mod/God, after a certain time period.



AFAIK (and I'm probably wrong here), that's not how it works at all.

From my understanding (remember, I'm not a mod), a mod actually has to allow that person to post again.

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YPE 
1/9/08 5:37:39 PM
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If only real law worked like that.

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Meeko 
1/9/08 6:48:32 PM
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Quote by Nich...
How often are people banned, and then talk to David (nee Ben) and get unbanned relatively shortly thereafter? Are suspensions to combat this?



I must have been channelling Nich.

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The Manta 
1/9/08 9:16:16 PM
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The problem of course is that there'll always be somebody complaining about the length. People made a lot of noise about permabans, now a lot of noise is being made about three-month sinbins. I'd wager if we shortened the sinbin length to one month, somebody would take exception to that- then for a fortnight, and so often until such punishments meant nothing.

Personally, three months suspensions seem more than fair given that previously, you were facing perma-bans. I don't know if you even have to apologize/email to get un-suspended, but if you don't have to do that then it's more than lenient.

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1shot1kill 
1/9/08 9:18:07 PM
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Not all Suspoensions are three months long. IIRC, they've been as short as two weeks. It all depends on the severity of the offence(s) and the mood of the mods, IMO.

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Fat_Bodybuilder 
1/9/08 9:27:53 PM
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I remember a 1 week suspension, I'm sure it was Damo?

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1shot1kill 
1/9/08 9:44:42 PM
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Who?

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