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Better moderation of the OSS forum
tantryl 
8/8/08 4:13:12 PM
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We certainly need better moderation of the Website Feedback forum.

They let completely irrelevant, lazy and ignorant suggestions in thread form last far longer than they should.

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Not worth buying at all - 17/6/07
I am pretty wealthy... I am going to Laybuy the console tomozz :D - 23/4/08
Ill be picking up a Nintendo Wii console tomorrow - 17/7/08

As of this post he owns no Wii.

pappes 
8/8/08 6:40:39 PM
Titan

Quote by eckythump you should feel free to make something similar in the OSS forum. If you get a positive response, then you can likely request that it be sticky'd.

+1
if you can articulate a well thought out and widely accepted manner of conduct that people should display when posting in that sub forum, the mods would be cunts if they didn't recognise it with a sticky.

However if you are flogging a dead horse, your thread may drop like a stone.

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TheSecret 
8/8/08 6:57:56 PM
Master
Quote by johnsee
We should have a button you can click when you think something is questionable that instantly brings it to the attention of the moderators so they can take action.



You seem to be missing the point.

Quote by tantryl
We certainly need better moderation of the Website Feedback forum.

They let completely irrelevant, lazy and ignorant suggestions in thread form last far longer than they should.



Just like completely irrelevant, lazy and ignorant posts.


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I think it´s a shame all people can do is critcize, and point to RTM as the solution. If I RTM every post, the moderators will surely just get fed up, and even if they start fixing up posts, it won't prevent new rubbish posts. Think preventitive, not reactive.

I have no problem making a similar guideline post, however I would hope for other peoples inputs, as I don't want to speak for everyone. But since no one else minds the torrents of crap posts, there doesnt seem to be a problem.


Edited by TheSecret: 8/8/2008 6:59:56 PM

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DEVERE 
8/8/08 7:11:40 PM
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Quote by TheSecret
Quote by johnsee
We should have a button you can click when you think something is questionable that instantly brings it to the attention of the moderators so they can take action.



You seem to be missing the point.

Quote by tantryl
We certainly need better moderation of the Website Feedback forum.

They let completely irrelevant, lazy and ignorant suggestions in thread form last far longer than they should.



Just like completely irrelevant, lazy and ignorant posts.


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I think it´s a shame all people can do is critcize, and point to RTM as the solution. If I RTM every post, the moderators will surely just get fed up, and even if they start fixing up posts, it won't prevent new rubbish posts. Think preventitive, not reactive.

I have no problem making a similar guideline post, however I would hope for other peoples inputs, as I don't want to speak for everyone. But since no one else minds the torrents of crap posts, there doesnt seem to be a problem.


Edited by TheSecret: 8/8/2008 6:59:56 PM



I'm not criticising your ideas.. but with 300+ people on the forums at any one time and what 10 mods? (who are doing the job on a voluntary basis) they are doing a pretty good job, considering they cant be everywhere with 33+ forums in here. Its up to Haymarket to make any changes - whom are running this site for free.. sure we can offer some ideas, but ultimately it is up to the owners to do something about it.

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tantryl 
8/8/08 7:12:38 PM
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Quote by TheSecret
Quote by tantryl
We certainly need better moderation of the Website Feedback forum.

They let completely irrelevant, lazy and ignorant suggestions in thread form last far longer than they should.



Just like completely irrelevant, lazy and ignorant posts.


You misspelled every single word in this sentence, and even got the punctuation at the end wrong.

It's spelled "I know you are, but what am I?"

Congratulations on the placement of the comma though, you nailed it.


Edited by tantryl: 8/8/2008 7:14:35 PM

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index680i and the Wii:

Not worth buying at all - 17/6/07
I am pretty wealthy... I am going to Laybuy the console tomozz :D - 23/4/08
Ill be picking up a Nintendo Wii console tomorrow - 17/7/08

As of this post he owns no Wii.

TheSecret 
8/8/08 7:13:59 PM
Master
That was basically my point, and most peoples response was: RTM!!!!!

I know haymarket wont budge from the forum code, but a guideline post is not exactly effort, and not if it saves further effort in the long run.

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tantryl 
8/8/08 7:15:15 PM
SuperHero
Immortal


Quote by TheSecret
That was basically my point, and most peoples response was: RTM!!!!!

I know haymarket wont budge from the forum code, but a guideline post is not exactly effort, and not if it saves further effort in the long run.



So make one.

I did: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=8&t=15955

And just so you know, it's completely ignored by absolutely everyone.

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index680i and the Wii:

Not worth buying at all - 17/6/07
I am pretty wealthy... I am going to Laybuy the console tomozz :D - 23/4/08
Ill be picking up a Nintendo Wii console tomorrow - 17/7/08

As of this post he owns no Wii.

The Fuzz damn you! 
8/8/08 8:39:11 PM
Mod
Hero

Immortal


Quote by TheSecret
I think it´s a shame all people can do is critcize, and point to RTM as the solution. If I RTM every post, the moderators will surely just get fed up, and even if they start fixing up posts, it won't prevent new rubbish posts.


How about you start by RTMing just one post? That, far more than a thread in Website Feedback, will get our attention. If, after the RTMing, you feel that the forum is still a problem, then you create one of these threads. The RTM mechanism was created precisely so that people like you -- who care about certain areas of Atomic and would like to see the quality of posts there improve -- can bring specific problems to the attention of the mods. A thread on how to "post nice" is likely to be roughly as effective as those "please don't copy this movie" warnings at the start of a DVD.

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TheSecret 
8/8/08 9:12:53 PM
Master
Duly noted.

I had assumed, incorrectly, that it was better to create a thread like this first, rather than bring each individual item to the attention of the few moderators there are.

It seems like a moot point though, since no one else seems to mind.

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

1shot1kill 
8/8/08 9:27:10 PM
SuperHero
Colossus


Quote by TheSecret
Duly noted.

I had assumed, incorrectly, that it was better to create a thread like this first, rather than bring each individual item to the attention of the few moderators there are.



We have a whole bunch of guidelines, called the FAQ. Amongst those guidelines is a section on what to do if you think a post is wrong.

Oh, the irony.

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Harden up, BITCHES!!

Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?

It's still rocket surgery. I just make it look easy, is all.

TheSecret 
8/8/08 9:36:31 PM
Master
Is it really beyond you to see that I was asking for specific guidelines for a specific forum for what I considered a specific problem, similar to other forums with specific guidelines?

See that word..specific?

Did you even read this thread before replying?

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

1shot1kill 
8/8/08 9:40:19 PM
SuperHero
Colossus


I've been keeping an eye on it since I posted in it very early on. I know you're after specific guidelines, I know you want specific guidelines like another section has and I also know that you can write up said guidelines yourself, just as others have done.

I had a bit of a go at writing guidelines myself some time ago, most of what ended up in the official Trademart FAQ was submitted by me.
http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/trademartfaq.asp

So get of yer arse and get working!


Edited by 1shot1kill: 8/8/2008 09:42:44 PM

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Harden up, BITCHES!!

Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?

It's still rocket surgery. I just make it look easy, is all.

TheSecret 
8/8/08 9:56:27 PM
Primarch
Fair Enough.

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The Fuzz damn you! 
8/8/08 11:39:30 PM
Mod
Hero

Immortal


Quote by TheSecret
Is it really beyond you to see that I was asking for specific guidelines for a specific forum for what I considered a specific problem, similar to other forums with specific guidelines?

See that word..specific?


...and we still have no specific examples of the specific problem that you're talking about.

That's exactly why threads like these are so difficult to act upon -- some people think that only the most outrageously over-the-top posts are a problem, while others will complain about anyone not posting the exact same thoughts that they themselves are thinking. Once we have (via RTM) these specific posts, we can decide whether the general problem needs to be addressed (say, via a sticky in the relevant section) or whether individuals need to be called into line, or whether the whole thing is being overblown or taken out of context.

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TheSecret 
8/8/08 11:55:03 PM
Primarch
I did not want to point out specific threads because it could turn quite ugly, and even unfair. I have started RTMing what I consider to be examples, and am working on a set of guidelines that might be useful.

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Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.

1shot1kill 
9/8/08 12:14:06 AM
SuperHero
Colossus


Quote by TheSecret
I did not want to point out specific threads because it could turn quite ugly, and even unfair. I have started RTMing what I consider to be examples, and am working on a set of guidelines that might be useful.



Good stuff, well done!

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Harden up, BITCHES!!

Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?

It's still rocket surgery. I just make it look easy, is all.

TheSecret 
17/8/08 2:09:42 AM
Primarch
What do people think of these suggested guidelines?

1. Don't double- or cross-post on the forums. Post your question once in the forum you think will bring your question the exposure it deserves.

2. Use clear, easy to understand language to describe the problem in the thread title. Thread titles like "help me" or "newbie in trouble" give no indication of your problem.

3. Provide as much information as you can when asking for advice or suggestions. Always mention the platform you are running, as sometimes different platforms have different means to get around a problem.

4. When a question is hardware related make sure to include the exact make and model of the offending hardware device. It saves time to incorporate as much information as possible from the start. Also list what has been tried so far to try to solve the problem.

5. When reporting an error message, try to be as accurate, even post the exact error message if possible. A post that says "can't burn to cd, cdrecord gives error" is not very helpful.

6. Don't hijack other threads. If you have a question, post it as a separate thread so that your question gets the necessary eyeballs.

7. Don't be shy about mentioning your knowledge level. When viewing your thread, people will give you a detailed and structured response if you ask them to.

8. Be polite and wait patiently for others to reply. Some users look at unanswered topics to help. If you post a "why are there so many views but no replies" message to your own thread, your thread is no longer listed as "unanswered." We promise people don't have a grudge against you, and they certainly won't hold out on you. Be patient -- someone will reply sooner or later. Being rude does not guarantee a speedier response.

9. If a claim is made, that may be controversial, or political, be prepared to provide evidence or show the logical reasoning behind your argument, so as to avoid pointless flame wars and misunderstandings. If you posted something that was baseless and debunked, and wish to post it again, make sure people know it is an opinion.

10. The OSS forum is a very political forum, where many strong opinions mesh. Try to keep things segregated as either technical or opinion pieces, to avoid frustration to both sides. If an opinion piece can not be agreed upon, or a mutual respect can not be reached, avoid letting the thread descend into a petty namecalling fest. If you get emotional, walk away.

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Midnighter 
17/8/08 4:42:11 AM
Immortal

Quote by TheSecret

I had assumed, incorrectly




Yes,you seem to do that a lot.

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Mac Dude 
17/8/08 11:36:10 AM
Mod
SuperHero

Immortal


If posted guidelines worked, nobody would break the FAQ. A number of suggested guidelines are already in the FAQ in fact, so I doubt repeating them would help. People learn better from experience than being told something they will forget anyway...

Yep, we need rules, yep we have *some*, will more help....?


Edited by Mac Dude: 17/8/2008 11:36:39 AM

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Girvo 
17/8/08 1:32:56 PM
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Of course they will Mac Dude. It's how our Government tries to run our country, isn't it? :P

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