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Confusion about alt banning
bluedude 
15/7/08 4:20:27 AM
Guru

I once had two alt's going. Both had similar names, I couldn't decide which to go with at the time :).

Their purpose wasn't to spam but just to keep it consistent with my usual alias.

One night I got a little excited and did end up spamming though under one of the alt's. Unsurprisingly, the next day this 'bad' alt was banned. Surprisingly, though, my 'good' alt was also banned.

This really sucked because not only did I want to use the good alt and not only did I provide help for other forum users at the time using this good alt, but the good alt didn't break any rules. I may have made some useless posts as everyone does (such as Happy Birthday to people you don't even know) but I'd hardly think of those posts as intended as spam or trolling.

Is it possible to get a "good" alt unbanned (by "good" I mean an alt that did not break any forum rules)?

And was it really necessary to ban this good alt in the first place? I mean, there was no reason to, except that it just had a similar name to the bad alt, and I think a similar avatar. Still, the good alt didn't break any rules, as far as I can know...

Anyway, I seem to remember a mod making a notice one day which, from memory, sounded something like "if one alt is banned, then all your alts are banned". But that can't be true, can it? Because I have seen several users recently get banned and go straight to their alt (and it's obvious who they really are/were at the time) which does not get banned.

So, my good alt is doin' time for crimes he did not commit and I think he deserve a little more justice than that :)

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nickeax 
15/7/08 6:00:08 AM
Banned

I think you will also be banned now.

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elvenwhore 
15/7/08 8:17:34 AM
SuperHero
Titan


Quote by bluedude
the good alt didn't break any rules.


But you did. And you're the account holder for both alt accounts, ergo you're responsible for what happens on those accounts.

Quote by bluedude
Is it possible to get a "good" alt unbanned (by "good" I mean an alt that did not break any forum rules)?


Why are you asking in the forums? I would imagine you could try to discuss the decision with the mods and take your appeal to David H directly. stealth edit: I forgot to mention that it's probably judged on a case by case basis.

Quote by bluedude
Anyway, I seem to remember a mod making a notice one day which, from memory, sounded something like "if one alt is banned, then all your alts are banned". But that can't be true, can it? Because I have seen several users recently get banned and go straight to their alt (and it's obvious who they really are/were at the time) which does not get banned.


As far as I know, it's true. It may be obvious to you who an alt is, but is it obvious to everyone? And of all the 'everyones' who know, has anyone RTMd the suspected character? And besides, I highly doubt the mods would ban a suspected-alt-of-previously-banned-person without really good reason to believe that account really is held by a previously banned member. So even if you do RTM with whatever proof you might have, it might not be quite enough to take immediate action on. Having said that, though, it's probably a good idea to RTM your suspicions anyway; the mods can't be everywhere at once, if there's a particularly incriminating post they might not see it and you could help them to flag a suspicious character.

We're full of shady characters around these 'ere parts :-)

Quote by bluedude
So, my good alt is doin' time for crimes he did not commit and I think he deserve a little more justice than that :)


Your alts are not seperate people, you know :-p It all still comes down to you. If I were you, I'd count myself lucky my main account wasn't banned in accordance with the "alt banned, all accounts banned" guideline.

The bottom line is that you are accountable for your actions here, not just whatever nickname you use at the time.

edit: epic edit


Edited by elvenwhore: 24/8/2008 9:47:01 PM

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Gharphield 
15/7/08 8:23:40 AM
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I think instead of thinking your 'good' alt was hard done by, you should be thinking "I'm glad they didn't ban my normal account".

Elven summed it up rather nicely, infact more then nicely ... better then what I could ever do ...

...

/hands over Mod badge (dammit).

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smadge1 
15/7/08 8:33:43 AM
Immortal

I had an alt banned for no reason, yet I'm still here.

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at first i was like:
{:|
but then:
}:D
I lol'd

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Leonid 
15/7/08 10:01:44 AM
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Quote by smadge1
I had an alt banned for no reason, yet I'm still here.



DMB?

:P

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bluedude 
15/7/08 1:56:00 PM
Guru

Counting myself lucky would be a good way to look at it I guess, perhaps I'll just be quiet now.

But to clarify, what's the rule about alt banning? Because in my case, my two alts were banned but my main account wasn't. Whereas in, for example, Damo's case, he was banned but his alt (which I thought was obvious to everyone who knows of Damo on the forums) was not banned at the time.

Anyway, I don't mean to kick up a fuss. It's all old news to me so I don't really mind, I was just curious about whether I could get good alt unbanned :).

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This was a good idea.

This was definitely a good idea.

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elvenwhore 
15/7/08 3:58:18 PM
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Titan


Quote by Gharphield
/hands over Mod badge (dammit).


That better not be some bizarre euphemism :-(

Quote by bluedude
But to clarify, what's the rule about alt banning? Because in my case, my two alts were banned but my main account wasn't.


Based on observation, I would imagine it's taken on a case by case basis. So the general guideline is there for everyone, but the application of the guideline is an interpretive response in a given situation.

If you want specifics, you'd probably be best off trying to get an answer from the only ones with all the information to hand - the mods and David H :-)

edit: can't spell.


Edited by elvenwhore: 15/7/2008 3:59:01 PM

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Mac Dude 
15/7/08 4:29:12 PM
Mod
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Immortal


basically as EW said above.

From the mods perspective we look at people , not user names. If you have an alt banned and your usual account is still ok, consider it a 'message' from the mods, stop breaking the rules, via alt or main account.

There have been cases, and you can find mod threads in Website Feedback, where a person has been banned, and all their alts in one hit - it depends on what they did to deserve the ban.

There is no specific "if you do X we ban all your accounts, if you do Y we only ban your alts".


Quote by smadge1
I had an alt banned for no reason, yet I'm still here.



Yeah, we ban random usernames for fun and profit.

Or, your alt broke the rules, whichever is more likely...


Edited by Mac Dude: 15/7/2008 4:39:34 PM

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iamthemaxx 
15/7/08 4:48:41 PM
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Quote by Mac Dude
Quote by smadge1
I had an alt banned for no reason, yet I'm still here.



Yeah, we ban random usernames for fun and profit.

Or, your alt broke the rules, whichever is more likely...



PROFIT!

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smadge1 
15/7/08 4:56:38 PM
Immortal

Quote by Mac Dude
Quote by smadge1
I had an alt banned for no reason, yet I'm still here.



Yeah, we ban random usernames for fun and profit.

Or, your alt broke the rules, whichever is more likely...



well, I always thought that if the rules were broken, all alts were banned.

btw, i don't want to be banned, I was just confused is all.

also, I don't remember actually breaking any rules with that particular humorous alt, i even sent emails using the email account it was registered under and received no replies.

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at first i was like:
{:|
but then:
}:D
I lol'd

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17938

Squidy 
16/7/08 12:40:36 AM
Hero
Colossus


Whether or not you made the post under your name or the alt, you are the one responsible for the posts. Whether you did it with your alter ego is irrelevant. If you get one banned, they should all be banned.

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Nich... 
16/7/08 9:27:41 AM
Hero
Immortal


I always found it interesting to ponder whether mods ban persons, or personas.

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Mac Dude 
16/7/08 10:31:12 AM
Mod
SuperHero

Immortal


Quote by Nich...
I always found it interesting to ponder whether mods ban persons, or personas.



Neither, just dickheads :D

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MrFriendly 
16/7/08 11:19:22 AM
Titan

Quote by Mac Dude
Quote by Nich...
I always found it interesting to ponder whether mods ban persons, or personas.



Neither, just dickheads :D



/Bans Mac

:P~






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The Manta 
16/7/08 12:59:03 PM
Immortal

With my alts, I basically assume that everything I do and say under them will eventually be traced back to me. As a result, I kinda make a point of not saying or doing anything with my alts that I wouldn't risk with my main account. And I assume that if I were to cross the line, all my alts and indeed my main would be subject to the same retribution.

It's all me, after all- just different aspects of me, usually the pisstaking wisearse side :P

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Nich... 
17/7/08 6:36:31 AM
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Immortal


Quote by The Manta
With my alts, I basically assume that everything I do and say under them will eventually be traced back to me.

Eventually?

It's all me, after all- just different aspects of me, usually the pisstaking wisearse side :P
At least you didn't claim it was a funny side.

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The Manta 
18/7/08 3:47:56 PM
Immortal

Quote by Nich...
Quote by The Manta
With my alts, I basically assume that everything I do and say under them will eventually be traced back to me.

Eventually?



Or immediately. You know what I mean, Corporal Semantics :P




Edited by The Manta: 18/7/2008 3:48:34 PM

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The Great Jafar 
18/7/08 3:51:40 PM
Apprentice

Quote by Nich...
At least you didn't claim it was a funny side.



How dare you question the comedic value of The Great Jafar, infidel?!? You will pay dearly for this insult...


Edited by The Great Jafar: 18/7/2008 3:51:54 PM

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Nich... 
21/7/08 4:29:39 PM
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Immortal


If I were to question the comedic value, I'd be admitting that there was comedy involved. I think.

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