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mark84 
29/6/08 8:39:07 PM
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Quote by funky_monkey
The hardware thing would be something im interested in I would love to know deep about what major differences on how things are done between a mac and PC the hardware in general is interesting.



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Jeruselem 
30/6/08 12:19:18 AM
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I buy Australian MacWorld and Atomic regularly ... so Mac content isn't a biggie for me.
There's a broken Mac LCII in my house somewhere ...


Edited by Jeruselem: 30/6/2008 12:19:51 AM

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jennyb 
30/6/08 7:56:01 AM
Banned
The only thing I want to read about macs is why people even consider buying them. I mean are macs even macs anymore with so much pc gear in them? I mean lets compare apples with apples (pun intended).

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zebra 
30/6/08 2:58:03 PM
SuperHero
Titan


Quote by jennyb
The only thing I want to read about macs is why people even consider buying them. I mean are macs even macs anymore with so much pc gear in them? I mean lets compare apples with apples (pun intended).



Mac's are, these days, x86 based. That by no means makes them an equivalent, equal to or anything related to a "PC" as it is refered to. The investment, engineering and technology that makes people buy Apple hardware is predominantly related to a core set of UI and OS technologies, that many consider superior or "better" than what the current Microsoft driven world can generate. Horses for course, and each to his own - but this is a lot of the impetus for high performance/high demand UNIX/super users.

An article might reval all, at some later stage...

z

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smadge1 
30/6/08 6:41:01 PM
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Well, in some ways, Apple is even more monopolistic than Microsoft.

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jennyb 
30/6/08 7:14:43 PM
Banned
"people buy Apple hardware is predominantly related to a core set of UI and OS technologies"

So if Apples are using an x86 platform, Intel CPU's and graphics cards from the same people that make them for PC's, there OS sets them apart, is that what your saying? I ask because last I read Adobe were refusing to release a 64 bit version of Photoshop, because the system wasn't up to it. I'd love to know what's sooo great about the apple OS that makes people pay a hell of alot more for it. I've never come across any distinct and conclusive evidence that better apple on a dollar for dollar basis, in fact most cheaper PC builds deliver a can of WHOOPASS on the fruity brand. I remember years ago doing some 3D animation on my old Pentium 3 and then showing it to someone on there new G4, what a clunky old monster that was. To get any decent playback I had to copy the whole scene over to the hardrive and even then playback was ordinary. So if anyone has any non biased dollar for dollar reviews regarding PC/Mac put up the link and lets disect it. In my opinion and in the minds of millions of others, macs are for tards.

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zebra 
30/6/08 7:35:22 PM
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Quote by jennyb
In my opinion and in the minds of millions of others, macs are for tards.



Have you taken a look at recent market trends? I'm not going to go into it here, for it might be something we should save for a future article, but the statement you have made there is one of a previous generation. Things are changing, for all of us, for the better.

You can call it what you like. Some just put it down to good marketting. Smadge also made a good point in Apple's tight grip on their own sector makes them such a success - but the truth is, down in the science of it, there is some special stuff happening, like it or not.

As I said, might be something for an article.

I think you'll find that even the "LOL MACS SUCK" people on this forum are giving up on the same old same old, because it is not really a relevant argument anymore.

As for your statement with regards to the Operating System not being up to the task of 64bit Adobe binaries, you have explained an extreme half truth there that doesn't actually have basis in fact. I think you should have a read of this:

http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits.ars/2008/04/02/rhapsody-and-blues

It will explain the ENTIRE and REAL reasons CS3/4 != 64bit binaries for Mac OS X.

I think wonderful things will happen for our computing world...and shortly. Apple at least, for the HCI side of things are/will be at the centre of it.

Tell me, do you use Linux in any forms, or any UNIX distributions?


So gang - it appears that jennyb really dislikes Apple. Can I get a consensus on this please? If you loathe it so much, we won't do an article on it. We want to give the community interesting stuff to think about/read about - but if this is the kind of thing that will just result in flames/hate-mail to us, we hear you, we won't do it!

Would a kernel-level/hardware level/OS level pull apart be something you'd all dig? Y/N/Maybe?

Thanks!

z


Edited by zebra: 30/6/2008 7:44:51 PM

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TheFrunj 
30/6/08 7:56:57 PM
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Quote by zebra
Would a kernel-level/hardware level/OS level pull apart be something you'd all dig? Y/N/Maybe?

Thanks!

z


Yeah, that would be awesome.

Hardware is pretty much universally interesting, everyone loves the dissected gaming consoles, so why not a mac?

Though there are anti-mac extremists out there that wouldn't care for it, but you can't please everyone.

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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. 
30/6/08 8:12:15 PM
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I'd be interested, anything to expand my knowledge is welcome.

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morris 
30/6/08 8:15:56 PM
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Quote by .:Cyb3rGlitch:.
I'd be interested, anything to expand my knowledge is welcome.

+1.
That's why I am still on these forums and still read the magazine.

I'm here to learn.


And I may take every opportunity to make fun of Mac users (especially when the staff from Mac One across from my store come and visit) but having been in an office environment with half Apple/half PC, the Macs definitely have their place.

I admit there are some aspects of the Mac interface that I like, and am tempted to incorporate into my own interface (My desktop looks nothing like the windows interface and hasn't for several years)

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smadge1 
30/6/08 9:09:26 PM
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Well, I think we need a Power User's guide to Mac.

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jennyb 
30/6/08 10:19:31 PM
Banned
So zebra after reading that article which did nothing for apple, where's the supposed half truth? Even though the author seems an old time mac zealot even he can't fend off the crapiness:

"This is after years and years of Apple demonstrating a complete inability to ship a modern replacement for its aging operating system. As for rewriting just their Mac applications using a new API, even that represented a tremendous investment of time and resources for a platform that could very well be on its way out. So yeah, no thanks, Apple. We'll take a pass."

Pretty understandable, why would Adobe back the donkey? They were too kind to apple for too long and what did apple do for the most part? Shit itself. If they didn't make the tried tested switch to the intel product line they would have been a stinking corpse long ago, which is what I hoped for them.

So I don't know what your trying to suggest to the forum Zebra, but the photoshop 64 bit saga is just one reason not to buy a mac.Lightroom 2 will also be 64 bit.

The best reason to never buy a mac is it's out and out rip off pricing, I think this is why people try and defend apples, they got ripped off and can't face the truth, so to feel better they come into these forums to tout crap which they can never justify of course. So these vile scum rather than just coming clean with the truth enable others to experience the same misery buy basically, lying. Check out the cockroach website:

http://store.apple.com/au/browse/home/shop_mac/family/imac?mco=MTIyMDU

Who would pay 3K for a dual core, 2Gb of DDr2 800 and one lame 500Gb drive and an 8800 gs? A tard that's who. Anyone could build that same PC configuration for half the price, actually better. So why am I paying that extra $1500 for an OS? Anyone can go to centrecom's custom quoter to plug in the same or equivelant components and have a laugh.

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/build.php?page=1


So if you want to discredit the magazine and drop a ton of ink trying to convince us to pay double for nothing in return do it. If David let's you do it. Bwahahahaha maybe that's why he's the editor and not the coffee gofer.

Like usual this arguement will go around in circles like years gone before with macnuts putting up jiberish and irrelevant links (most of the time discrediting their own arguement....bwahahahahahahahah), yes people macnuts are really that stupid. Anyhow it's gotten too boring too quickly, don't irritate me with shyte and like I said before:

--> So if anyone has any non biased dollar for dollar reviews regarding PC/Mac put up the link and lets disect it. In my opinion and in the minds of millions of others, macs are for tards. <--

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jennyb 
30/6/08 10:28:20 PM
Banned
Don't make me vomit and ruin a magazine I like reading. I personally don't want to see anything mac in it, ever, for any reason, ever. I already feel ill, which is what happens when I type the word "mac" without having a 3 month break in between.

I give birth to a mac user after every bout of spicy curry I eat. I sure don't need to read about it again in a magazine, especially not Atomic.

So if you didn't get it.....DON'T F*&@ING RUIN MY MAGAZINE WITH YOUR BULLSHIT!!!!!!!

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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. 
30/6/08 10:33:05 PM
Titan

You've missed the plot jennyb.

The article would be about the technical aspect, not convincing people to buy it. I personally dislike Apple computers too, but that's because I'm an enthusiast who likes to tinker with my hardware and software. Nevertheless, I would love to learn how they work, and I believe that is what Zebra is offering.

You, my friend, are a fanboy. Either that or ignorant.

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morris 
30/6/08 10:33:41 PM
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jennyb : I don't have my magazines handy, but I'm certain that there have been a couple of articles (especially the tutorial section) on Macs.

I think the last one was more the unix side than anything, but I'm certain there have been articles already in the magazine.

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zebra 
30/6/08 10:42:03 PM
SuperHero
Titan


Quote by morris
I think the last one was more the unix side than anything, but I'm certain there have been articles already in the magazine.



Indeed, 3 infact :).

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.:Cyb3rGlitch:. 
30/6/08 10:46:43 PM
Titan

So what's the verdict so far? Still going to write the guide? ;)

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zebra 
30/6/08 10:49:23 PM
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At this stage, the community seems to really want it. All up to the big man with the cool hair, ultimately - but at this stage, we are still looking good imho.

I'd let this one sit for a while before we start official talks/construction behind the scenes. Until then, keep your eyes peeled :).

z

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jennyb 
30/6/08 10:51:39 PM
Banned
Why even mentioned the "m" word?
Where are they when we want value computing? No where.
Where are they when we want maximum power computing? No where.
Where are they when we embrace overclocking? No where.
Where are they when the world relies on high tech CAD and medical applications that make a difference? No where.
Where are they when gamers are turning the gaming industry into a billion dollar empire? No where.

Apple like it's founder is a self obsessed, self serving vile cockroach that relies on deception and baseless self imagery to sell its product. No wonder it has to put heavily discounted product into schools, like a drug dealer that offers its first hit cheap, it has no regard for it's victims.

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morris 
30/6/08 10:57:37 PM
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Immortal


Where are they when David is working on the design and layout for the next atomic magazine?
On Davids desk. And on the desk for many people in the media industry.

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