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Wikipedia users divided over sexual material
Goth 
9/9/08 11:08:00 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,25642,24318423-5014108,00.html

CHILD protection campaigners say Wikipedia has "crossed the line" by allowing graphic videos and photographs of sexual acts on its articles - and even some of the site's own editors say the content is dressed-up porn.

While school children used to look up dirty words in dictionaries, searching for the same phrases on Wikipedia can result in images and videos of masturbation, "hardcore" sex and orgies.

On one entry, an 18-second video of a man ejaculating appears on the page - without any warnings or age verification.



Guess what, ladies and gentlemen - it's the internet Time for moral panic!

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robzy 
9/9/08 11:10:37 PM
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I don't know, I think they have valid concerns.

I would have thought that wikipedia would have tried to prevent superfluous porn from appearing on their pages.

Rob.

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SquallStrife 
9/9/08 11:10:37 PM
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Serious business.

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Midnighter 
9/9/08 11:11:21 PM
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So, why do they need this on Wiki? Sounds foolish.

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TheSecret 
9/9/08 11:19:07 PM
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I just looked up some pretty hardcore sex stuff, and it was described somewhatprofessionally..wikipedia level of professional anyway. Definitly no hardcore porn, just art, which is for some reason more acceptable.

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Kimmo 
9/9/08 11:19:43 PM
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What sounds foolish to me, is the mere expression of intent to arbitrary censor natural fact in an encyclopaedia on the extremely dodgy basis of puritanical 'morality'.

Like Goth says, it's the internet.

HTFU, or go and sit in the corner over there with the Amish.


Edited by Kimmo: 9/9/2008 11:20:30 PM

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GL0Be 
9/9/08 11:22:20 PM
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It always makes me wonder why people complain about something in the media, whether that be the internet or TV ....

I mean if you dont like it, DONT look at it.

Is it really that hard?

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Spriggan 
9/9/08 11:23:58 PM
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meh shows jack all

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robzy 
9/9/08 11:24:23 PM
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Firstly, it doesn't really sound like they are asking for censorship, just wanting wikipedia to think about the audience it aims for.

At the end of the day they aren't asking for anything amoral to be removed, simply explicit images which - as far as I'm concerned - aren't relevant. You really don't need to actually see an ejaculation, just as the AFL pages doesn't have videos of people kicking a footy.

Quote by GL0Be
It always makes me wonder why people complain about something in the media, whether that be the internet or TV ....

I mean if you dont like it, DONT look at it.

Is it really that hard?


Sure, but wikipedia is wanting people to look at it.

I do somewhat agree with the people that wikipedia has crossed a line.

I don't care about the line crossed, but I would have thought wikipedia would care due to their target audience.

Rob.


Edited by robzy: 9/9/2008 11:25:15 PM

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Frizzl 
9/9/08 11:27:35 PM
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Quote by Kimmo
What sounds foolish to me, is the mere expression of intent to arbitrary censor natural fact in an encyclopaedia on the extremely dodgy basis of puritanical 'morality'.

Like Goth says, it's the internet.

HTFU, or go and sit in the corner over there with the Amish.


Edited by Kimmo: 9/9/2008 11:20:30 PM



From the article though, do you need a video of ejaculation?

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Kimmo 
9/9/08 11:33:46 PM
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Do we need to catalogue every species of butterfly we can find?

Some people find it helpful.

I'd like to see more video on Wiki; I haven't actually looked up anything that had more than animated GIFs, yet...

To be honest though, I also like the 'fuck you' it sends to people who have a problem with this. Ejaculation is a fact, some people may be interested to see it, end of story, get over it.

BTW, PMSL @ the 'Bearly Decent' pic on the hardcore porn page : D

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robzy 
9/9/08 11:35:15 PM
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Quote by Kimmo
To be honest though, I also like the 'fuck you' it sends to people who have a problem with this. Ejaculation is a fact, some people may be interested to see it, end of story, get over it.


If you had a 12yo daughter doing sex ed, would you really see it necessary for her to see an ejaculation?

Sure - it's the internet - everything goes. If it wasn't wikipedia, she could get it elsewhere.

But given what wikipedia is, I would have thought wikipedia itself would have guidelines against it.

Rob.

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Midnighter 
9/9/08 11:36:30 PM
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If want to see an ejaculation, go jerk off. In fact, do that anyway.

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Takoma 
9/9/08 11:36:39 PM
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So what are these terms I should look up?

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Frizzl 
9/9/08 11:49:16 PM
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Quote by Kimmo
Do we need to catalogue every species of butterfly we can find?

Some people find it helpful.

I'd like to see more video on Wiki; I haven't actually looked up anything that had more than animated GIFs, yet...

To be honest though, I also like the 'fuck you' it sends to people who have a problem with this. Ejaculation is a fact, some people may be interested to see it, end of story, get over it.

BTW, PMSL @ the 'Bearly Decent' pic on the hardcore porn page : D



As I wrote my post I was thinking of all the arguments you brought up, and I agree with them :)

I don't think I agree with say, as Robzy used as an example, a 12 yr old researching this for sex ed for example, and then the video loading straight up. It's not something that needs to be seen and there's no 18+ warning (going from the article that is).

I suppose it just needs a warning that's about all though.

EDIT - Curious as to this page in particular (ejaculation for those curious) the video doesn't load automatically, I feel it is an over reaction.


Edited by Frizzl: 10/9/2008 12:06:25 AM

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Kimmo 
9/9/08 11:52:18 PM
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Quote by robzy
If you had a 12yo daughter doing sex ed, would you really see it necessary for her to see an ejaculation?

I wouldn't see it as strictly necessary, of course. But I for one would have no actual qualms about her seeing it.

People who get all in a tizz over this stuff shit me tears.

I'd like to hear how such folks would go about saying exactly why the sky would fall if my 12yo daughter copped an eyeful of flying jizz...

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robzy 
9/9/08 11:54:27 PM
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Quote by Takoma
So what are these terms I should look up?


For starters :P http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Profanity

Quote by Kimmo
I'd like to hear how such folks would go about saying exactly why the sky would fall if my 12yo daughter copped an eyeful of flying jizz...


So you support hardcore porn in 12yo sex ed classes? :P What about odd-fetish-porn?

I really don't care what wikipedia does, I'll still look at it. And these people aren't going "Omg wikipedia, how could you do that? TAKE IT OFF BECAUSE I SAY SO".

They are saying "We believe that to be a bit too far, and if it stays as such will get our info elsewhere", which is perfectly reasonable.

Rob.


Edited by robzy: 9/9/2008 11:57:25 PM

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Kimmo 
9/9/08 11:57:20 PM
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the occasional exception will improve an article


/spoofs all over the page

Sweet, the finishing touch



...seriously, Disclaimers should not be used in articles that contain profanity. All articles are covered by the five official disclaimer pages.


Edited by Kimmo: 9/9/2008 11:59:02 PM

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Midnighter 
10/9/08 12:06:06 AM
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Quote by Kimmo
Quote by robzy
If you had a 12yo daughter doing sex ed, would you really see it necessary for her to see an ejaculation?

I wouldn't see it as strictly necessary, of course. But I for one would have no actual qualms about her seeing it.

People who get all in a tizz over this stuff shit me tears.

I'd like to hear how such folks would go about saying exactly why the sky would fall if my 12yo daughter copped an eyeful of flying jizz...



So easy to say when you're not actually a parent.

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Kimmo 
10/9/08 12:11:59 AM
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So easy to pretend that's actually an argument. For what it's worth, that's a considered statement and I stand by it; it's in keeping with the spirit of my own upbringing.



LOL, Jimbo Wales looked up autofellatio one time: Jimbo once removed a photograph of autofellatio from its relevant article, with the comment: "This image is completely unacceptable for wikipedia -- I don't even consider this borderline."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pornography

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