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9 out of 10 biggots approve of Catholic schools
pappes 
9/9/08 12:52:38 PM
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Let me applogise in advance to any biggots offended by this thread

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2359178.htm?section=justin

Camden residents deny 'racist' double standard

A residents' group that fought against a proposed Muslim school at Camden, in Sydney's south-west, has denied its support for a proposed Catholic school demonstrates a double standard in the community.

The proposal to build a Muslim school was rejected by Camden Council earlier this year on planning grounds.

The Camden/Macarthur Residents' Group was formed to fight against the proposal.

There are now plans to build a Catholic school on church owned land, which currently houses a special needs school.

The group has not seen a development application for the proposed Catholic school, but says it is pleased Catholic officials have been consulting with Camden Council.

A spokesman for the group, Andrew Wannet, says the organisation's support for the Catholic school compared to the Muslim school has nothing to do with racism.

"What we have in Camden is we have Catholics, we have Anglicans and we have non-religious persons," he said.

"We do not have Muslims living here and if you put a Muslim school in Camden all the Muslims have to be transported from outside of our area."

Mr Wannet says residents are pleased the denomination of the school will reflect the area's demographic.

"You can't have a small country town with a high community ethic having a large institution where there are no persons of that particular religion living within 20 or 30 kilometres of that area," he said.


'No comparison'

The mayor of Camden says there is no comparison between the two proposals.

Chris Paterson says council has not seen a development application, but there have been preliminary talks between church representatives and council planners.

He says council's rejection of the Muslim school is different because relate to separate sites.

"The point I'd like to make is that if the Catholic Church or an Anglican Church or an independent school was up on the Islamic school site it would have been rejected on the same grounds," he said.

Camden councillor David Funnell says residents do not have the same concerns.

"The school that we're talking about, the Catholic school, is already on a site that has 40 kilometre zones," he said.

"It's an existing school, all the infrastructure is there ready to go.

"It's been in the pipeline not just yesterday or the day before, this has been in the pipeline for many, many years to build it there and add to the Mater School that was already there."

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ok so why couldn't they improve the Muslim proposal rather than reject it?

edit: some of these quotes are too funny

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24317102-5006784,00.html
Mr Sremchevich said he was not being racist.

"Why is it xenophobic just because I want to make a choice. If I want to like some people and not like other people, that's the nature of the beast," he said.


Edited by pappes: 9/9/2008 12:58:02 PM

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SquallStrife 
9/9/08 12:54:25 PM
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"He says council's rejection of the Muslim school is different because relate to separate sites."

They accidentally THE WHOLE STORY!

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TheFrunj 
9/9/08 12:55:39 PM
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Those bigots are so big, they get an extra "g"!

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Mac Dude 
9/9/08 12:56:50 PM
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Quote by pappes
ok so why couldn't they improve the Muslim proposal rather than reject it?



It's not up to the Council to "improve the Muslim proposal", it's up to those who put it forward.

If I remember correctly it was rejected for traffic reasons, though I'm not 100% sure...

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Dany Williams 
9/9/08 1:00:55 PM
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I do not believe that there should be any more private schools built, Catholic of Muslim.

There should not be any double standards set no matter who you are or what religion, I wouldn't like a school next to me that every few hours they start screaming and chanting all the time in so called prayer.

I believe if they want to continue they schooling and they religion they should piss off back to the country they or they family comes from and do it there.

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Leonid 
9/9/08 1:01:27 PM
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If this was about a Scientologist school vs. a Catholic school, Atomic would be celebrating.

But mention the "M" word, and throw in a few "bigots" and you've a news story!

Accusations of racism help too, especially when there's no race involved..

Why not throw them in?

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Kothos 
9/9/08 1:03:02 PM
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To be honest, I don't see a problem with asking a new school to be demographically applicable to the local residents.

Otherwise you might get systemic segregation.

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9/9/08 1:03:14 PM
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Quote by Dany Williams
I do not believe that there should be any more private schools built, Catholic of Muslim.

There should not be any double standards set no matter who you are or what religion, I wouldn't like a school next to me that every few hours they start screaming and chanting all the time in so called prayer.

I believe if they want to continue they schooling and they religion they should piss off back to the country they or they family comes from and do it there.

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ROFL!

POTM right there :)

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Leonid 
9/9/08 1:05:16 PM
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Quote by Dany Williams
I do not believe that there should be any more private schools built, Catholic of Muslim.

There should not be any double standards set no matter who you are or what religion, I wouldn't like a school next to me that every few hours they start screaming and chanting all the time in so called prayer.

I believe if they want to continue they schooling and they religion they should piss off back to the country they or they family comes from and do it there.

End Rant.



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Saponification 
9/9/08 1:07:24 PM
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Quote by Kothos

To be honest, I don't see a problem with asking a new school to be demographically applicable to the local residents.

Otherwise you might get systemic segregation.



Surely there are quite a few Muslims in or close to Camden if people in the Muslim community planned on building an Islamic school there. The population comes before the school.

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Leonid 
9/9/08 1:08:42 PM
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Quote by Saponification
Surely there are quite a few Muslims in or close to Camden if people in the Muslim community planned on building an Islamic school there. The population comes before the school.



I read somewhere that it was 100 families or so.

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david.gordon.lane 
9/9/08 1:10:12 PM
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If the population demographic is predominantly Catholic then i can see where the problem is, but on the other hand Muslims may have a bad rap but they are not stupid and i doubt they would start building a school in that area unless the population of Muslims their was large enough to support it.

So at the end of the day i have to say that the larger group should have their school built. Not to sound racist but hey the minorities are a minorities because they represent a minor portion of the population which means that at the end of the day that the council and other boards designed to either discuss or make decisions on these types of things will have to make a decision based on what is needed by the majority and not the minorities. After all why build a school designed to meet the needs of say a hundred children when another school could be built to meet the needs of 1000 children.

Also i would like to add that if the Muslim community was having this School paid for by themselves then maybe they should look at different sites to build the school, and if they still keep getting stone walled by the council then there may be a case of racism or what ever you call it when one hates a particular type of religion.

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lunchbox1988 
9/9/08 1:10:17 PM
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Why not have a private school, and have it non-religious.

That would surely please everyone.

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9/9/08 1:10:27 PM
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Quote by Leonid
If this was about a Scientologist school vs. a Catholic school, Atomic would be celebrating.

But mention the "M" word, and throw in a few "bigots" and you've a news story!

Accusations of racism help too, especially when there's no race involved..

Why not throw them in?


When Scientology has a proven lengthy history as a religion, I'll support this comparison.

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Saponification 
9/9/08 1:10:50 PM
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Was it going to be a big school? We had a little Bosnian Muslim school around the corner from my old house. Had a lot of Islamic schools in the surrounding 'burbs, but this one targeted a pretty specific demographic that couldn't have been that large.

EDIT:

david, this isn't an either/or argument. Both schools could've had their proposals approved, just as both could've had their proposals rejected. We're talking about different sites. If a minority can buy a piece of land, fund the development of said piece of land and gain approval from the council, the fact they're a minority should be deemed irrelevant. It's like saying there shouldn't be Chinese Christian churches in Melbourne because, you know, there are more Anglicans than Chinese Christians in the area, therefore any and all construction of churches should be targeted at the Anglican community.

Perhaps that plot was the only one they could afford that suited their needs re: size, location and, possibly, proximity to where the local Muslim community resides.


Edited by Saponification: 9/9/2008 1:14:38 PM

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TazFromOz 
9/9/08 1:26:44 PM
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I think the 'reasons' the council is giving for it's denial speak for themselves.

If more than one of them had even mentioned the speed zone then it would be the real reason, in this instance it looks like an excuse.

I live in a predominantly White / Greek / Italian / Vietnamese area. We have a Muslim school not far away, and there are obviously enough Muslims in the area to make it worthwhile.


PS - the guys trying to justify dislike of other races / religious groups as not xenophobic made me giggle.

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Dany Williams 
9/9/08 1:39:20 PM
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Quote by david.gordon.lane
If the population demographic is predominantly Catholic then i can see where the problem is, but on the other hand Muslims may have a bad rap but they are not stupid and i doubt they would start building a school in that area unless the population of Muslims their was large enough to support it.



Have to correct you on this on, the school that they proposed was not to support the local muslim community, it was being built to include living quarters for some 2000+ students to come there and live during school terms, there is only a very small muslim community in this town normally, this school was to bring more people into the region.

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plebsmacker 
9/9/08 1:41:43 PM
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Camden is as white trash as it gets, this is all no surprise.

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Rybags 
9/9/08 1:59:14 PM
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I don't see a problem.

Opposing a building which would have seen large numbers of outside traffic, and probably increasing population of the area.

Approving one which would see smaller numbers of outside traffic, and served a reasonable proportion of the already local population.

And, +1 to Hector's earlier comment. Fucked if I want my taxes going to educational facilities that are segregated by religion.

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david.gordon.lane 
9/9/08 2:02:00 PM
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Quote by Saponification
Was it going to be a big school? We had a little Bosnian Muslim school around the corner from my old house. Had a lot of Islamic schools in the surrounding 'burbs, but this one targeted a pretty specific demographic that couldn't have been that large.

EDIT:

david, this isn't an either/or argument. Both schools could've had their proposals approved, just as both could've had their proposals rejected. We're talking about different sites. If a minority can buy a piece of land, fund the development of said piece of land and gain approval from the council, the fact they're a minority should be deemed irrelevant. It's like saying there shouldn't be Chinese Christian churches in Melbourne because, you know, there are more Anglicans than Chinese Christians in the area, therefore any and all construction of churches should be targeted at the Anglican community.

Perhaps that plot was the only one they could afford that suited their needs re: size, location and, possibly, proximity to where the local Muslim community resides.


Edited by Saponification: 9/9/2008 1:14:38 PM



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