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lunchbox1988 
8/9/08 3:26:29 PM
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Quote by bu14-1
Matthew 5:31-32



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YPE 
8/9/08 3:37:15 PM
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Quote by chrisg
bu14-1..... What's that code for, bible- bashing retard?

Just as well I take very little notice of other people's opinions, especially those who stick their noses into something that is none of their damn business....

Cheers



Myeah, see, you posted it on a forum for everyone to read, so when we read, it's kinda just sticking our noses into shit that isn't our business.

So, don't be blaming the retard for that.

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chrisg 
8/9/08 3:47:54 PM
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ROFL!!!

Fair point YPE, there's always one I guess...

Cheers

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siegfried 
8/9/08 3:49:36 PM
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Atomic is a community. Sharing thoughts and situations with a community doesn't automatically give anyone the right to pry or make unfounded judgements, although I will admit it does make it more possible...


Edited by siegfried: 8/9/2008 3:51:02 PM

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Fenn 
8/9/08 3:55:55 PM
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: ( I can't believe I googled those verses.

Then I made myself get up from the chair, walk over to bookshelf 3, pick up the NRSV, and look up the verses. You know, it was actually quicker using the book.

Chrisg, speaking as someone who gave my parents endless years of confused torment, get the professionals involved sooner rather than later. As a mentally ill teenager I simply didn't have the tools to communicate to my parents that there was something more wrong with me than just angst. My parents didn't have the tools to understand me or to help me.

It's been very hard for them to come to terms with, the fact that they love me to bits but don't have the means to help me. I'm sure they felt like failures as parents. Maybe that's hard for you and FE too?

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chrisg 
8/9/08 4:08:16 PM
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:)

It's really more annoyance over the professionals repeatedly suspecting parenting Fenn. In engagement after engagement FE has had to go through that but not so in the latest situation. That was one good outcome of the one immediately preceeding this attempt.

FE is a very good mother and I think I'm an ok dad, but I do know exactly what you mean. My own daughters were to say the least difficult and one is at present essentially ignoring me. But you do the best you can, no one can ask more than that.

It was only recently that FE's daughter asked if it would be ok to call me dad when we get married and said she already thinks of me that way. Brought a bit of a lump to the throat to say the least...

Cheers





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Fenn 
8/9/08 4:23:46 PM
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Oh wow that's awesome! You must be absolutely thrilled about that :-)

Even if 'parenting' or more specifically, 'the personality of your carers moulding who you are', is in some way a factor in a mental illness, that's no reason to start hounding said parents if there is no actual bad parenting going on. Educate them, definitely, so they can do their bit to help the child recover and avoid hindering recovery, but you don't have to be accusatory about it.

I don't think it's a coincidence that me, my sister and my parents dog all have anxiety issues. I think it's a lot to do with my parents. That doesn't make them bad parents though. They're very good parents in fact.

My take on mental illness is that I was predisposed to suffer some kind of mental illness through the chemical/biological/whatever imbalances in my brain. My upbringing determined the kind of mental illness I developed - in a way, I made up my own coping mechanisms, which happen to match roughly the label of OCD/anxiety. If I had been brought up differently, my illness may have been more or less severe, and may have taken a different form - I might have ended up with an addiction, or depression, or whatever.

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chrisg 
8/9/08 4:44:41 PM
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:)

Who can really say?

My parents raised five highly effective children, but in an era when part of parenting was my father's legendary ability to chase after a misbehaving child, take off a shoe and clock the child in the back of the head from about twenty paces - try that today and see the PCreatures up in arms.... ;)

Loved my parents, and knew damned well I deserved the odd shoe in back of the ear :)

My kids were raised in the PC era and I think the most they ever got was a slab across the legs in extremis and that so rare as to be perhpas once or twice - ever.

Society is going to regret that change I think, but I know how much it hurts YOU to hurt a child..... My eldest can break my heart just by being disappointed if something doesn't work out, and she's 21 in November. :)

Cheers



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Girvo 
8/9/08 5:15:10 PM
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Hey, my Dad used to hit my arse so hard I couldn't sit down for the rest of the day.

My grandmother used to *break* wooden spoons on our behinds.

I turned out alright ;)

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chrisg 
8/9/08 5:16:17 PM
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Quote by Girvo
Hey, my Dad used to hit my arse so hard I couldn't sit down for the rest of the day.

My grandmother used to *break* wooden spoons on our behinds.

I turned out alright ;)




:)

Wellllllll....... ;)

Cheers

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Girvo 
8/9/08 5:18:54 PM
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Hey, don't blame me for the growing mound of dead bodies in my basement.


:P

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chrisg 
8/9/08 5:23:09 PM
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:)

Odd thing - I lived with my maternal grandparents for about 18 months, parents had a job building a cafe in the middle of nowhere with no schools around.

My grandfather never had need to lay a finger on me - wonderful man.

Mind you, just how my father stopped himself from beating the crap out of me when I fell through the ceiling of his nearly completed cafe into a bucket of wallpaper glue whilst with them on school holidays shall forever remain a mystery :)

Cheers

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Tom 
8/9/08 5:59:46 PM
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I have changed my stance on smacking of late.

I think parents now a day’s stop smacking on the line of been PC, but that said they don’t substituted it with anything else, they just throw their hands in the air and yell how can we control them.

This is not aimed at you chrisg as there are too many variables in bringing up children to point out one thing.


But I think parents take the PC stance so easily and to the extreme, mostly so if the kids go off the rails they can blame the powers that be rather than themselves.

Little Jimmy has gone bad because “they” wouldn’t allow me to be a parent.


Just another step of it’s not my fault.

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Leonid 
8/9/08 6:05:09 PM
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Quote by bu14-1
Matthew 5:31-32



Well ain't that just so wonderful...

Mind telling us exactly how long ago Matthew lived and precisely how much authority he has over the lives of 6 billion humans living now?

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plebsmacker 
8/9/08 6:07:19 PM
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Leo he is a hit and run bible quote coward, he won't be back in this thread.

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chrisg 
8/9/08 6:16:19 PM
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with that Tom, however, if DOCS get involved it can head off to La-La Land pretty damned quick.

A well known very wealthy person wound up in court a while back fighting, and winning, against DOCS, over a situation that went something like this:

His out-of-wedlock daughter was messing around one morning and going to be late for school. Mother gave her a light slap on the wrist and she shaped up and shipped out.

At school she was noticed as being a little down so a teacher asked her what was wrong.

"Mommy hit me" was the reply.

Teacher reported that and the case ensued.

That's how much the authorities can intrude on normal parenting.

To finish the story annecdotally the mother reported it pretty much this way:

"I gave her a light slap, not the first time, but rare, she's a good kid, next thing I know I have two tattoed and pierced jack-booted lesbians on my door-step threatening to take my child away."

Too bad for DOCS that mother is a highly credentialled lawyer and dad a billionaire, but what if it had been a normal family of limited means?

Ridiculous, but, that's how fearful the system can make parents of diciplining their children.

That little girl, and she is a lovely kid, peed on me once :) was treated more seriously by the system in her simple way of explaining her contrition than were her parents in explaining what had happened and it wound up in a court of law over custody.

Don't ever think that kids are not aware of the power they can potentially wield... Not that that was the case here...

We live in a mad world......

Cheers









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moz 
8/9/08 7:31:58 PM
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Go you good things!

Congrats and all that stuff!

Fuck convention and problems!

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chrisg 
8/9/08 8:50:42 PM
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:)

Thanks moz.

Cheers

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jeno 
8/9/08 10:35:27 PM
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Quote by bu14-1
Matthew 5:31-32



Genitals 3:9-11

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chrisg 
8/9/08 11:05:27 PM
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Quote by jeno
Quote by bu14-1
Matthew 5:31-32



Genitals 3:9-11



:)

Sounds painful :)

Hi Jeno :)

Cheers



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