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inatey2 
8/9/08 6:01:39 PM
Overlord

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I actually thought the last few laps weren't anywhere near as great as the commentators were proclaiming. "The best end to a grand prix in years!" WTF? A few cars went off when it started raining. Hardly completely pants wetting action.

Yeah, Trulli owned the start :D



the reason it was so amazing was the way hamilton and Kimi were passing each other and switching positions, while at the same time pushing the limits of the cars given the wet conditions. when i watched i was on the edge of my seat, shouting out loud and stuff.


Plus I think the ITV commentators, as great as they are, show a bit of bias toward Hamilton, so they would've been extra rapped to see it end the way it did.



yeah you could tell they were trying not to to show it with tiny pauses between sentences that are just a little to long to be natural. but as a Hamilton Fan i didnt want to point that out

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Tech-Kid 
8/9/08 8:13:19 PM
Champion
I'm a big fan or Raikonnen. He's awesome.

Massa ain't half bad. Hamilton is good too. But Raikki by far is my favourite. And Ferrari for constructors championship :D

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kikz 
8/9/08 8:25:06 PM
Immortal

Don't get me wrong, the racing was good. I know I'm gonna sound like an old fart now, but I remember when seeing that action was normal for a race. Over the last few years (more like a decade), action has become so rare that it's something worth jumping up and down about.

I remember Spa of a few years ago (ok, late 90's I think) where there was a massive accident coming out of La Source and down the hill into Eu rouge, half the field was taken out. Or the Schumi slamming Coulthard up the date because the rain was so heavy he couldn't see him.

Those last few laps was the only action of the race. As far as awesome endings go, of late, I love the Japanese GP of 2006 (I think it was 2006) where Alsono took Schumi round 130R and Kimi passed Fisichella round the outside of turn one for the lead. That race had so much more action than that, but those two passes really stood out. Or maybe the pass of the century, Hakkinen on Schumi on the grass at Spa, after Eu Rouge.

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wheelz 
8/9/08 8:42:16 PM
Overlord

If awesome is crashes, you sir, are NOT a race fan.

That was the most exciting finish to GP EVER.

The reason for it was Raikkonens lack luster form of late, he's been off the pace, sketchy in Qualification and just basically NOT looking like a world champion.

He was given the 'word' by team bosses, basically shape up and WIN or they shift their collective might behind former 2nd fiddle Massa.

For Kimi to come out and race the way he did was amazing and shows that he is a world champion, but also highlights how uncommitted he has been of late, in other words, he can do it, but doesn't have the animal in him anymore. Until he's thrown a challenge.

For him to race so well, and hold Hamilton off until the rain was the most awesopme display of grit I've ever seen. to spin that way on the Penultimate lap was just mind blowing.

Hamilton deserved to be stripped of that win, his overtaking move was basically unsportsmanlike and definitely came out of that shortcut with an advantage. He has a lot to learn about fair play...

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Rogue_leader 
8/9/08 11:12:23 PM
Titan

One of the best race finishes this round... I was on the edge of my sofa. Great driving.

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kikz 
9/9/08 6:26:21 AM
Immortal

Quote by wheelz
If awesome is crashes, you sir, are NOT a race fan.


Guess I'm a race fan then.

Quote by wheelz
That was the most exciting finish to GP EVER.


Umm. No.

Quote by wheelz
The reason for it was Raikkonens lack luster form of late, he's been off the pace, sketchy in Qualification and just basically NOT looking like a world champion.


The reason for the great race end was because of Raikkonen's poor form? It's more to do with the way the cars use handle theire tyres in the different conditions.

Quote by wheelz
He was given the 'word' by team bosses, basically shape up and WIN or they shift their collective might behind former 2nd fiddle Massa.


Or maybe he received a new chassis he prefers. Though if I were Ferrari, I'd be telling him to get his finger out too!


For Kimi to come out and race the way he did was amazing and shows that he is a world champion, but also highlights how uncommitted he has been of late, in other words, he can do it, but doesn't have the animal in him anymore. Until he's thrown a challenge.

For him to race so well, and hold Hamilton off until the rain was the most awesopme display of grit I've ever seen. to spin that way on the Penultimate lap was just mind blowing.


If people don't win they don't have the animal in them? Massa didn't win, yet he won the last race comfortable and has been on sterling form of late. Ergo Massa doesn't have the animal in him anymore? Kimi is the Spa master. That can also explain why he performed better here that he has in the recent past.

I expect a fight from Kimi whenever he drives. Maybe I'm just pissed he put it into the wall.


Hamilton deserved to be stripped of that win, his overtaking move was basically unsportsmanlike and definitely came out of that shortcut with an advantage. He has a lot to learn about fair play...


I disagree. His options were cut the corner or take Kimi out. Hamilton eased of until Kimi was past him again anyway. I guess he just couldn't win at that corner. Look at Hiekki. Albiet a much more optimistic move, but it cost him a drive through. If Hamilton had of stayed on track and collected Kimi, he'd have been penalised.

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inatey2 
9/9/08 2:47:40 PM
Overlord

Quote by kikz
Quote by wheelz
Hamilton deserved to be stripped of that win, his overtaking move was basically unsportsmanlike and definitely came out of that shortcut with an advantage. He has a lot to learn about fair play...


I disagree. His options were cut the corner or take Kimi out. Hamilton eased of until Kimi was past him again anyway. I guess he just couldn't win at that corner. Look at Hiekki. Albiet a much more optimistic move, but it cost him a drive through. If Hamilton had of stayed on track and collected Kimi, he'd have been penalised.



QFMFT Hamilton should not have been punished. as he came out of the bend he eased of and let Kimi take the lead. he had no advantage when he passed him on the straight, i read i think on the F1 site that as the passed the start finish line, kimi was in front.

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kikz 
9/9/08 3:23:52 PM
Immortal

Yeah. I guess I can see why the determinant was such. Hamilton should not have drafted Kimi after coming off the track, then used that draft to his advantage.

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PseudoMuso 
9/9/08 4:20:42 PM
Initiate
Quote by kikz
I remember Spa of a few years ago (ok, late 90's I think) where there was a massive accident coming out of La Source and down the hill into Eu rouge, half the field was taken out. Or the Schumi slamming Coulthard up the date because the rain was so heavy he couldn't see him.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75RQZVusFSc

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wheelz 
9/9/08 4:36:20 PM
Overlord

It was a momentum advantage, if any of you have driven a proper race sim, with all driving aids off, you would understand the correlation between momentum and throttle control.

Im a HUGE fan of Kimi and Hamilton, but Hamilton used a combination of draft, momentum and tyre loading to carry more speed and get on the throttle earlier, as his car was more settled, that he gained an exit line advantage that saw him grab the lead.

FIA got it right. Hamilton deserved the penalty.

If you follow F1 closely, as I do (not saying Im an expert, but Im certainly a huge fan) You will be aware of Raikonnens situation and the buzz about his poor form on and off the track, along with rumours of his impending retirement etc, and the fact that he actually was given orders to win or face relegation to second driver status.

Sure he may have a new chassis, but so does Massa, and its identical.
Tire wars not withstanding, the off track furore surrounding Kimi is what made that race the best GP finish ever. in MY OPINION.

It signals the end of Kimis F1 career I believe, he'll retire for sure...
Alonso *may* take his spot if he doesn't go to Honda..

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Begone... This is not for your Brains..

kikz 
9/9/08 5:22:02 PM
Immortal

lol wheelz. I'm not picking on you (well not intentionally :p) but you're using racing sims as your argument? :D I've played race sims (got every one of the GP series - Geoff Crammond and various wheels over the years) and even better, raced karts (J class) for two seasons, as well as track experience with 1000cc bikes, so I get the real world effects too :p, and you can't get a sense of momentum from a computer game. Though Crammonds physics engines have always been cutting edge, you can't simulate momentum (at least not back then and not via a normal PC setup). There's no "seat of the pants" feeling when you're sitting on an office chair turning a plastic wheel and pushing plastic pedals.

If you follow F1 on these forums, you may notice that I'm the Kimi fan, so it's not like I'm biased against the guy. I too am complete F1 nut. Subscribe to the mag. haven't missed a race in years. attend the melbourne GP. played all the pc games. got F1 banners up in my garage and a bookshelf full of biographies. Actually got the Bruce McLaren bio for fathers day last sunday :)

Anyhoo, we're all entitled to our armchair opinions :)

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PseudoMuso 
9/9/08 11:13:14 PM
Initiate
f1 pwns..

watched it all my life long

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Outcast_Aussie 
10/9/08 12:09:35 AM
Guru

Niki Lauda offers his perspective of the incident

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/7604776.stm

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PseudoMuso 
10/9/08 12:35:26 AM
Initiate
its good to see a lot of people disputing this penalty from within the formula one circle..several drivers and key figures within the sport have voiced their disproval.

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