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Does it bother you if the current Government uses the Opposition's ideas?
Kothos 
28/8/08 1:45:28 PM
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Quote by Leonid
Quote by hlass
So you agree the new policy, of limited time detention, frequent review and better oversight, access to legal services, being released into the community to live while a decision is being made and no detention of children is an improvement? Indeed according to you the old policy was a "Shitty" one.



No. I do not agree.

Because the current policy has the Immigration Dept reviewing its own policies, appealing to itself and accounting to itself.

It is nothing more than a way of government saving face while doing very little.



What about all the things hlass just mentioned? That's not "very little".

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The End 
28/8/08 1:49:19 PM
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Quote by Kothos
Quote by The End
What left/right?

If Rudd has shown anything with his little attack on educators, it's now Right/More Right.


Labor has been slightly right-of-centre since Hawke. That's ages now.




You're preaching to the choir.

Certain others like to reinforce the old Left stereotype about Labor, when it clearly isn't, was my point. :)

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Errorist 
28/8/08 1:50:09 PM
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I only mind if they're poor policies.

What else matters?

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Leonid 
28/8/08 1:50:13 PM
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Quote by Kothos
Quote by Leonid
Quote by hlass
So you agree the new policy, of limited time detention, frequent review and better oversight, access to legal services, being released into the community to live while a decision is being made and no detention of children is an improvement? Indeed according to you the old policy was a "Shitty" one.



No. I do not agree.

Because the current policy has the Immigration Dept reviewing its own policies, appealing to itself and accounting to itself.

It is nothing more than a way of government saving face while doing very little.



What about all the things hlass just mentioned? That's not "very little".



What has it done?

Let the Dept of Immigration review itself?

It hasn't actually done anything about mandatory detention apart from saying it will.

Who here can honestly put their hand up and say that the Dept of Immigration will do the right thing?

And mandatory detention is still here and will be forever.


Edited by Leonid: 28/8/2008 01:55:45 PM

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Leonid 
28/8/08 1:51:47 PM
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Quote by The End
Quote by Kothos
Quote by The End
What left/right?

If Rudd has shown anything with his little attack on educators, it's now Right/More Right.


Labor has been slightly right-of-centre since Hawke. That's ages now.




You're preaching to the choir.

Certain others like to reinforce the old Left stereotype about Labor, when it clearly isn't, was my point. :)



Have a look at Labor's current team. Apart from Swanie and Rudd, they're all lefties.

Bloody Gillard was a card-carrying commie.

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"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen"

--Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

The End 
28/8/08 1:58:26 PM
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Quote by Leonid
Quote by The End
Quote by Kothos
Quote by The End
What left/right?

If Rudd has shown anything with his little attack on educators, it's now Right/More Right.


Labor has been slightly right-of-centre since Hawke. That's ages now.




You're preaching to the choir.

Certain others like to reinforce the old Left stereotype about Labor, when it clearly isn't, was my point. :)



Have a look at Labor's current team. Apart from Swanie and Rudd, they're all lefties.

Bloody Gillard was a card-carrying commie.




And yet all we get is Right wing policy.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

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The proof is in the pudding.

The pudding... of their doom.

Virtuoso 
28/8/08 2:11:04 PM
SuperHero
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Quote by Leonid
It does. Because if you've got a government copying ideas from one you've thrown out, it raises the question why you threw them out in the first place if 4 years later you're going to get the same ideas as those you threw out a government for.

Two reasons:

1. The former government had few good ideas left.

2. The former government had some very bad ideas which needed to be stopped.

That's a compelling case for change.

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Kothos 
28/8/08 2:13:37 PM
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Quote by The End
Quote by Kothos
Quote by The End
What left/right?

If Rudd has shown anything with his little attack on educators, it's now Right/More Right.


Labor has been slightly right-of-centre since Hawke. That's ages now.




You're preaching to the choir.

Certain others like to reinforce the old Left stereotype about Labor, when it clearly isn't, was my point. :)



Sorry, I should have been more explicit in my intention - I was agreeing with/supporting your point, not preaching (-:

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Leonid 
28/8/08 2:19:35 PM
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1. The new government had few good ideas left.

2. The new government had some very bad ideas which needed to be stopped



Fixed.


Edited by Leonid: 28/8/2008 2:40:05 PM

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"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen"

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Leonid 
28/8/08 2:21:02 PM
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And yet all we get is Right wing policy.



That's because the old left maxims have almost no relevance any more. It's a shame.

Isn't it a bit scary when old leftists morph into Republican Party-like aparatchiks and begin to be called neo-conservatives?

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"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen"

--Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

Cybes 
28/8/08 2:48:26 PM
Guru

As said many times before here, a good idea is a good idea no matter where it came from.

What does bother me, though, is when they argued like hell and fought against it at the time it was first put forward, but now that they can claim it as theirs it's a great idea. (By "they" I mean whoever - all parties seem to do this, and not just in government either.)

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jojo 
28/8/08 2:56:17 PM
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its a giant douche vs shit sandwich situation

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hlass 
28/8/08 8:09:21 PM
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Quote by Kothos
Quote by Leonid
Quote by hlass
So you agree the new policy, of limited time detention, frequent review and better oversight, access to legal services, being released into the community to live while a decision is being made and no detention of children is an improvement? Indeed according to you the old policy was a "Shitty" one.



No. I do not agree.

Because the current policy has the Immigration Dept reviewing its own policies, appealing to itself and accounting to itself.

It is nothing more than a way of government saving face while doing very little.



What about all the things hlass just mentioned? That's not "very little".



Apparently it is much more like Leonid's own views than the previous administrations policies. Yet it isn't enough, it seems that they would need to exactly confirm to all his plans, put someone other then the Dept. of immigration in charge of immigration or be a coalition government for him to be happy.

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Well that's great, that's just fuckin' great man. Now what the fuck are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty shit now man... That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?

Meeko 
28/8/08 8:18:46 PM
Titan

You guys should cut to the chase: Who should I vote for next election? I'll write it down and send it in the post.

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Mac Dude 
28/8/08 10:14:50 PM
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SuperHero

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Does it bother you if the current Government uses the Opposition's ideas?

No.

But it worries me that they are lying about it so soon after being elected. God knows what they will lie about when it comes to the next one.

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Virtuoso 
28/8/08 10:17:38 PM
SuperHero
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Quote by Mac Dude
But it worries me that they are lying about it so soon after being elected.

What are they lying about?

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I came. I saw. I did not concur.

Leonid 
28/8/08 10:23:34 PM
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Quote by hlass
Quote by Kothos
Quote by Leonid
Quote by hlass
So you agree the new policy, of limited time detention, frequent review and better oversight, access to legal services, being released into the community to live while a decision is being made and no detention of children is an improvement? Indeed according to you the old policy was a "Shitty" one.



No. I do not agree.

Because the current policy has the Immigration Dept reviewing its own policies, appealing to itself and accounting to itself.

It is nothing more than a way of government saving face while doing very little.



What about all the things hlass just mentioned? That's not "very little".



Apparently it is much more like Leonid's own views than the previous administrations policies. Yet it isn't enough, it seems that they would need to exactly confirm to all his plans, put someone other then the Dept. of immigration in charge of immigration or be a coalition government for him to be happy.



You know, most people shut up when they're wrong.

Why don't you try be like most people?

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"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen"

--Sir John Houghton, first chairman of IPCC

Leonid 
28/8/08 10:32:38 PM
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Quote by Virtuoso
Quote by Mac Dude
But it worries me that they are lying about it so soon after being elected.

What are they lying about?



Carbon Pollution is a good start.

Someone ought to to tell KRudd that his wife's wearing pollution on her ring finger.

We should tax him on her.


Edited by Leonid: 28/8/2008 10:32:56 PM

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"Unless we announce disasters no one will listen"

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Mac Dude 
28/8/08 10:32:48 PM
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SuperHero

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Quote by Virtuoso
Quote by Mac Dude
But it worries me that they are lying about it so soon after being elected.

What are they lying about?



Rudd, when questioned on why he was just rehashing Liberal policy said that while the Liberal party talked about it, he is doing something about it.

That is misleading, and IMO a lie.

The Liberal party announced it, and after a long fight with the states, they lost. Rudd is nowhere near implementing it, and the states and unions are already making noises apposing it.

Gillard stated that the Howard government were trying to implement a "system of blame", while the Rudd government is for transparent reporting.

It's a very slippery slope, but IMO deliberately misleading statements are no different from lying.

Regarding the policy itself, I think it's stupid no matter who came up with it or who implements it.

Answer me this question.

Many elite private schools 'cull' those of slightly lower academic ability so that their results look great when compared to other schools.

My wife works at a private school where it is a policy to give a chance to children who have been rejected by other schools.

Which school will have better published results?

Which school will get more funding if funding is based on results?

This type of proposed system, based on results, does not take into consideration such policies.

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Can I ignore you some other time?

hlass 
29/8/08 8:57:09 AM
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Quote by Leonid
Quote by hlass
Quote by Kothos
Quote by Leonid
Quote by hlass
So you agree the new policy, of limited time detention, frequent review and better oversight, access to legal services, being released into the community to live while a decision is being made and no detention of children is an improvement? Indeed according to you the old policy was a "Shitty" one.



No. I do not agree.

Because the current policy has the Immigration Dept reviewing its own policies, appealing to itself and accounting to itself.

It is nothing more than a way of government saving face while doing very little.



What about all the things hlass just mentioned? That's not "very little".



Apparently it is much more like Leonid's own views than the previous administrations policies. Yet it isn't enough, it seems that they would need to exactly confirm to all his plans, put someone other then the Dept. of immigration in charge of immigration or be a coalition government for him to be happy.



You know, most people shut up when they're wrong.

Why don't you try be like most people?



So you do think the new changes are good and the old administrations policies were bad (after all they were light years away from your more humane alternative).
Sorry to get mixed up.

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Well that's great, that's just fuckin' great man. Now what the fuck are we supposed to do? We're in some real pretty shit now man... That's it man, game over man, game over! What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?

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